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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 16:59 #61

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unbridled in gray

And here is the part of the "AFA Certification" equation I take issue with -- it is a real dilemma from all viewpoints.

There's no dilemma when one invokes Occam's razor.

How does one really place a value on one being "Certified by the AFA" when it is a test on one day of one person's skill at one point in time?

All any test on any subject can do is measure the testee's knowledge and motor skills on the day of the test because no test is conjectural in nature and no test can measure the testee's determination to fully apply the knowledge and skills over which he was tested.

Essentially, they studied, practiced and passed. Other than personal pride and integrity -- what incentive does the CJF have to keep up the level of skill it took to pass the test in his/her everyday work when the horseowning public is mostly unaware of that level of work and the use of handmade shoes?

I've never met a CJF that wasn't concerned with keeping up; however, you raise a valid point because most horse owners are ignorant of AFA certification. In terms of service to the industry, the AFA's damnable love affair with meaningless forging contests and a shoeing team has resulted in a 30-year waste of resources that could have been much better used to educate the public on the value or AFA certification.

The farrier keeps his credentials whether or not he/she is an AFA member and keeps his/her credentials whether he/she increase or decreases in skill.

Similarly, a doctor, veterinarian, lawyer, accountant, teacher, welder, driver, etc., keeps their credential whether or not he/she increases or decreases in skill.

I will tell you from personal experience as a horse owner that I have fired CFs and seen the work of CJFs that is really bad. I am not sharing this to knock the program bc I feel it is a super test of skill and great feat for any individual to acheive.

I will tell you from personal experience that anybody can own a horse because all it takes is money - but owning a horse does not imply one knows anything ABOUT horses, much less how to determine the quality of a farrier's trimming/shoeing. That said, no test can measure one's determination to do every job to the best of one's ability.

I am sharing to make the point that IMO without standardized and/or recognized/recorded continuing eduction/updates and/or re-certification (for lack of better word) the general public can be misled by the suffix.

Balderdash. The American public is blissfully unaware of the AFA's standardized testing criteria, the fact it's the only standardized shoeing test with any pretense of objective quantification, the difficulty in trimming/shoeing to an arbitrary standard, or the difference between JHU, CJF, RJF or the BWFA's meaningless alphabet soup. The public is unaware of AFA certification because the AFA has failed to devote the necessary resources to the task.

As a horseowner in the certification process myself, the credentials would really make an impact if they were tied to a public type database of farriers with the credentials and passing grades on updates thereafter.

At its inception, the AFA was to serve as the repository for the certification process, without regard to affiliation, presumably for the benefit of concerned horseowners, equine practitioners, show secretaries, and similar personnel. Personally, I would have no objection to the inclusion of CE requirements for maintenance in the AFA's database of CJFs because the technology attendant to traditional farriery is constantly evolving. Right now, a CJF who is not a member of the AFA is not included in the AFA website's database, but is included in the office database, a childish tactic I find particularly galling because it cheapens the accomplishment by penalizing those who choose not to be AFA members.

Much like a "board certified" plastic surgeon for example.

Logically, a plastic surgeon would be analogous to a CJF, while A board certified plastic surgeon would be analogous to the former TE designation for the CJF.

What are your objective thoughts on this when you look at the overall horse industry we serve?

To be quite honest, given the AFA board's continual failure to live up to the AFA's mission statement, I find it passing strange that some member hasn't sued the group for malfeasance.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 18:59 #62

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Of note, I found out first hand this summer that AFA credentials are not recognized or respected at NY racetracks.
And what brought about this epiphany? Tried to get licensed and had a rude awakening maybe?
The AFA should be number one in farrier recognition at all racetracks. Why aren't they?
ROTFLMYAO! Nice joke, thanks for the laugh. If that weren't so funny it'd be scary. Please don't say you're serious:eek:
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 20:48 #63

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AFA credentials are not recognized at PA tracks. PA tracks have their own testing system.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 20:52 #64

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they aint reconized here either. you have to take the state test to shoe on the grounds.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 21:30 #65

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halfmiler wrote:
they aint reconized here either. you have to take the state test to shoe on the grounds.
Having never been a plater myself, would you please describe for me/us what the test in WVa entails?

Pat, same request.

Is there reciprocity among the States?

Thanks.

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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 21:37 #66

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The PA test requires a written test of anatomy and shoeing solutions found in a track setting. The farrier is assigned a cadaver limb, and the examinee describes how they prefer to trim the foot (four point, Strasser, etc) and they then are evaluated based upon their ability to perform that trim. They are then assigned several shoes to make from bar stock (Al and steel), including one bar shoe. One of the shoes is then selected to be nailed on the foot, which is then examined. There is no time limit.
The test has traditionally been designed and administered by the Chief of Farrier Services at New Bolton Center. There is no charge for taking the exam, either to the farrier or to the state.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 21:42 #67

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rick,there is a written exam,you have to name the bones,muscles,ect in the foot,explain why and when to use stickers and block heels,even tho ive never seen a set used. then there is the practical test that you have to shoe a hose all the way around,and the hose has problme feet. the practial is done infront of 2 shoers,a trainer and a steward. ive heard its changed in the past few years tho.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 22:43 #68

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halfmiler wrote:
rick,there is a written exam,you have to name the bones,muscles,ect in the foot,
There's muscles in the foot?:eek: Who knew? ;)
Just kidding and I hope you realize that. :)

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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 22:51 #69

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Rick Burten wrote:
Is there reciprocity among the States?

Thanks.

Rick
Not an easy question Rick. For sake of brevity I'll say some states have reciprocity and some don't. WV had no reciprocity last I heard. Racetrack testing also varies from state to state and sometimes county to county and track to track within the respective state. Your home state of Illinois last I heard still used JHU's test.

This insanity is why many of us want uniformity in the rules which could best be acheived by a national governing body for racing.
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RE:AFA News 01 Oct 2009 23:08 #70

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george,i agree there needs to be something better. a standardized text would be a start.
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RE:AFA News 02 Oct 2009 10:36 #71

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The AFA is not reconized is because it is NON-RACING certification and is not applicable on the racetracks.

Only the Union test; after a 5 year apprentiship, is applicable because it deals with swaging out racing plates by hand, 2 front bar shoes, and 2 block and sticker hind shoes, punched and 4 brazed in toe-grabs; and shoe the horse in 6 hours in front of 2 stewards and the paddock blacksmith. This is the only reconized journeyman horseshoeing test for platers, and afterwards you will receive a licenced from that state to shoe at that track.
This is a only test since
1874!!!; that the USA and Canada, reconizes.

Since the abolishment of this test, because is was not politically correct to test farriers who wanted to shoe racehorses; we now have many more incorrectly shod racehorses and many more breakdowns at the track.

There is a correct way to shoe a racehorse to minimize any type of breakdown.
We had a test in racing to separate the blacksmiths for the iron hangers.

What needs to happen is to bring the high standards in the Union testing back to the racetrack.

Linda Marie, IUJH journeyman horseshoer and plater.

PS: I know and can do the Union test!!!!

Rick Burten wrote:
Having never been a plater myself, would you please describe for me/us what the test in WVa entails?

Pat, same request.

Is there reciprocity among the States?

Thanks.

Rick

Hi Rick, thought you might have missed Linda's information that she so kindly took the time to provide.
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RE:AFA News 02 Oct 2009 10:54 #72

Quick bullet statements pointing out the educational part of AFA Cert.
  • Written portion forces one to study. Various types of shoes and shoeing and purpose. Anatomy, conformation, gait, lameness etc.
  • Shoe board forces one to demonstrates forging and fabrication skills to a difficult and strict standard.
  • The Practical portion of the test, tests the ability to shoe a horse to a very strict standard within a difficult time limit.

I challenge anyone that has not done so to accomplish todays, AFA CF test and tell me after wards it has no educational benefit.

As for educating the public about the value of AFA Certification, well I can tell you every horse owner I know is now well aware of the value. I can't figure out for the life of me why any farrier that is AFA certified would let that slip through the crack. To me that rates up their with just down right ignorant. Have a nice day everyone. :)
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RE:AFA News 02 Oct 2009 12:07 #73

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Phil,
Has your client list changed in the last couple of months?
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RE:AFA News 02 Oct 2009 12:49 #74

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Phil,
Has your client list changed in the last couple of months?

Yes it has, not on a grand scale. What is interesting and very unexpected is for the first time in 10 years I have met a few horse owners and trainers that value AFA certification. I have already received calls from horse owners because I am listed as a certified farrier on the AFA website. Now I find that very interesting, because in all my years doing this trade, I have never been asked about certification, continuing education, what school I went to or how long I have been shoeing. Word of mouth has always been my been best advertisement and common sense tells me it will always be, however I feel the certification has opened new doors for me. I was just talking to my wife about this and how I feel like I am at a cross roads, a dilemma so to speak. With a decision to make which can effect my growth and income, however I have a strong loyalty to those who have trusted me, treated me with respect and kept my family fed all these years. They have helped me get my start, horses and people I have a great admiration and respect for and cannot and will not walk away from. I am very fortunate, this trade has been very good to me and it is exciting to see a whole other level and challenge. Hitting 50 and the truth of the matter is, my back can only do so much, so change and growth is something I feel you need to be carefull what you wish for. I am very satisfied with improveing what I do on the horses I currently do. :)
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RE:AFA News 02 Oct 2009 20:58 #75

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Hi Rick, thought you might have missed Linda's information that she so kindly took the time to provide.

phil,i think rick was asking about testing at individual tracks,linda listed the union test. :cool:
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