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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 15 Sep 2009 23:18 #31

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regarding the killer sale's(not that im advocating it) what do you do with a horse that after its career is just too mean,nasty,simple to be a riding horse,pet,field ornament?

Put them to sleep where they live. Then have them go off for slaughter. Just like it should be done to Cows, Pigs, Sheep, Goats, etc.

As I said, I'm not anti meat eating, but anti disrespect.

No veal crates, no battery cages, no gestational cages, no slaughter.

You can not justify it to me and no amount of talking will do it. Sorry.

If an animal has to give it's life to feed us, so be it, but it should be done with kindness and with optimum living conditions. Corporate farming, racing, and the other "sports" I mentioned are BS!

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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 15 Sep 2009 23:38 #32

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irishcas;174303 wrote:

Put them to sleep where they live. Then have them go off for slaughter. Just like it should be done to Cows, Pigs, Sheep, Goats, etc.

No veal crates, no battery cages, no gestational cages, no slaughter./QUOTE]

Their is a reason slaughterhouses don't take animals that are already dead. Who's to say what the animal died from. Think about that when you set down to eat tonight.

My uncle raises hogs both inside and out. He loses far more baby pigs from sows laying on them or predators outside, than he does inside. Sometimes people do not look at the whole picture when they set their beliefs, poor old sow has to be confined to a crate what about all the baby pigs getting ready to be suffocated to death or smashed from that crate not being their.

Justin

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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 00:58 #33

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Put them to sleep where they live. Then have them go off for slaughter.

LMAO! Why? Do you really think an animal incapable of abstract thinking can contemplate its own demise on the way to the abattoir?

Just like it should be done to Cows, Pigs, Sheep, Goats, etc.

"Should be done?" According to whom?

As I said, I'm not anti meat eating, but anti disrespect.

I find most folks' alleged concerns with livestock growing are nothing more than thinly disguised attempts to inflict their morality on other folks.

No veal crates, no battery cages, no gestational cages, no slaughter.

If you have a problem with these things, I suggest you don't involve yourself in any of them - but I'm kinda curious: How exactly does one "put an animal to sleep" before they "go off to slaughter"? Over the years, I've found livestock in lateral recumbency to be extremely difficult to load and haul; plus, there's all those silly USDA regs concerning slaughter. In the real world, deads and downs are rendered, not slaughtered. Do you know the difference?

You can not justify it to me and no amount of talking will do it. Sorry.

Think! Horses usta have a value based on human speculation and a carcass value, based on their weight. I don't have to justify anything to you, but thanks to a bunch of gutless congressrats and a vocal minority of dingbats and doofi, horses no longer have a carcass value in the United States. While you and yours may be patting yourselves on your collective backs for "saving" horses from French bellies, it appears the Law of Unintended Consequences has bit all of you well-intentioned folks right square in the nalgas: the economy went south, horses with no speculative value to humankind have NO economic value, so many of them are starving. As you and yours have discovered, horses are livestock, not petstock.

If an animal has to give it's life to feed us, so be it, but it should be done with kindness and with optimum living conditions. Corporate farming, racing, and the other "sports" I mentioned are BS!

LMAO! Spare me the nonsensical PETA rhetoric, livestock growing is about efficiency, not about pandering to the anthropomorphic silliness of folks intent on inflicting their version of the way things oughta be on the rest of us.

Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 01:01 #34

halfmiler OFFLINE Senior Member Posts: 338 Karma: 0	tom, i thought PETA was People Eating Tasty Animals :confused:
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 01:27 #35

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Who's to say what the animal died from. Think about that when you set down to eat tonight.

I will as I eat my vegetarian meal

My uncle raises hogs both inside and out. He loses far more baby pigs from sows laying on them or predators outside, than he does inside. Sometimes people do not look at the whole picture when they set their beliefs, poor old sow has to be confined to a crate what about all the baby pigs getting ready to be suffocated to death or smashed from that crate not being their.

Justin

Yes but that is how it goes, fair is fair. Locking a female in a crate where she can't stand up is not humane, no matter how you slice and dice it.

Kim Cassidy
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 01:32 #36

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:

LMAO! Spare me the nonsensical PETA rhetoric, livestock growing is about efficiency, not about pandering to the anthropomorphic silliness of folks intent on inflicting their version of the way things oughta be on the rest of us.

You must have no @ss left with all the laughing off you do.

I am not a PETA person, nor am I spouting rhetoric. As usual with the written word things get misconstrued.

I am anti corporate farming. When I said horses should be put to sleep. I was referring to my answer to halfmiler, when he asked what should be done to nasty horses, or some such. Put them down on the farm where they were raised. No one in America, as far as I know, eats HORSE MEAT.

As for cows, pigs, goats, sheep, etc. They should be killed on the farm and slaughtered on the farm, if it were legal (its not in NY State) I would like to eat meat that was raised AND slaughtered on the same farm.

So spare me your picking apart of sentences and your Texas BS hard @ss attitude to animals.

They have feelings and your country @ss can't convince me otherwise.

We can discuss this weekend over whiskey!

Over and Out

Kim Cassidy
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 09:43 #37

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irishcas wrote:

I will as I eat my vegetarian meal

Yes but that is how it goes, fair is fair. Locking a female in a crate where she can't stand up is not humane, no matter how you slice and dice it.

From that statement in bold tells me you have never even seen a gestation crate. How do you think they get in the crate, what do they do lay down and then we shove them in with a tractor or something.

Justin

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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 10:38 #38

Rick Burten OFFLINE Enforcer Posts: 9082 Thank you received: 50 Karma: 8	Considering man's(the species) routine inhumanity to man(the species), why would anyone think man would routinely treat other species otherwise??
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 10:57 #39

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cuttinshoer wrote:

From that statement in bold tells me you have never even seen a gestation crate. How do you think they get in the crate, what do they do lay down and then we shove them in with a tractor or something.

Justin

Okay is this what they look like?

http://hsus.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/14/475x316_pigs_gc_usda.jpg

Yes yes I know a PETA website, but that is the only images I could find.

As opposed to this type of farming.... http://www.polyfacefarms.com/products.aspx

I prefer the second style of raising food.

Again, I'm not saying end the use of livestock for food, I'm suggesting and would prefer it could be done in a better way.

Rick Wrote:

Considering man's(the species) routine inhumanity to man(the species), why would anyone think man would routinely treat other species otherwise??

I know Rick, I know. Does it mean I should not say anything about either? I do what I can. I did not watch the Olympics this past summer as they were held in China, silly I know but one small thing I could do to protest both human and animal rights and the lack of by that country.

Alas, I think we have gotten off topic of Gary's thread, the beating of horses with whips while racing. Seems like I am not the only who finds what they are trying to do, right. I think Thomas and I are on the same side of that particular (racing with whips) issue.

Anyone else feel that it would be a good thing to switch to the nerf whips (or whatever they are called?)

Kim Cassidy
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 18:18 #40

halfmiler OFFLINE Senior Member Posts: 338 Karma: 0	aircush whips kim,and i for one do not agree with any talk of a switch in stick styles. like i said before a 110-120lb man(or woamn) is not gonna stick that horse any harder than a horse would kick it. NUFF said.
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 19:29 #41

irishcas OFFLINE Master Posts: 1708 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 0	halfmiler wrote: aircush whips kim,and i for one do not agree with any talk of a switch in stick styles. like i said before a 110-120lb man(or woamn) is not gonna stick that horse any harder than a horse would kick it. NUFF said. Horses can avoid being kicked, can't escape the whip... That's why they are running faster. NUFF said
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 19:57 #42

halfmiler OFFLINE Senior Member Posts: 338 Karma: 0	i got a laugh out of that. ever been in a feedlot with 30 yearlings or brood mares at feed time? lots of kicking going on.
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 20:02 #43

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kim
Poly face farms....?????

i went and was looking over the site and amazed would be a understatement..
what kind of tree hugging ..grass eating...home schooling...cow petting cult are you trying to join....

anyone who would do the things below must be off there rocker...
1. pay 1000.00 for a two hour tour
2. work at this farm for a cool $100.00 bucks a month
3. work for room and board only...
4. pluck yard birds for 100 a month and clean cow dung

.......neat site but not for me... i dont care if my cow has eat grass only ..i will eat him as long as he was not give a nuclear bath...lol

Travis Reed.....

www.sporthorsefarrier.com to direct link..

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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 22:50 #44

irishcas OFFLINE Master Posts: 1708 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 0	Hahahaha Travis, Have you forgotten who you are talking to. I just stood outside under a tree for half hour as one of my baby rehab projects (a squirrel) played in it. I also took a baby Opossum around with me all day today to the barns I worked at, so I could feed her every 2 hours I am not saying that Polyface Farms has ALL the answers, but they sure as sh@t have some of it right.
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RE:A R people at it again, Down Under! 16 Sep 2009 23:03 #45

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irishcas;174380 wrote:

Okay is this what they look like?

http://hsus.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/14/475x316_pigs_gc_usda.jpg

Yes yes I know a PETA website, but that is the only images I could find.

As opposed to this type of farming.... http://www.polyfacefarms.com/products.aspx

I prefer the second style of raising food.

Again, I'm not saying end the use of livestock for food, I'm suggesting and would prefer it could be done in a better way.

Those don't look like the ones I have seen, those are a lot smaller I don't think a sow could have pigs in one that small and their is no way to keep them with their mother. If I had to guess those are for feeding them to prevent fighting.

As for the polyface farm they have figured out how to make money from people. But I couldn't understand why it is alright to keep chickens in electric netting and rabbits in cages, but it is not alright to protect baby pigs in a gestation crate.

Justin

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