cowboy_bc wrote: WHAT . . . You trying to mess them up . . . worse.

AH HA! You do do come out from under your rock and down off your lofty throne!

Guess Be-Headings don't constitute ******? Ask Mrs. Pearl and the family here in Georgia.
A little water, some creepy bugs , isolation and loud sleepless nights constitute ****** in your book not mine.
I knew may comment would get you out into the daylight .

Please tell us; We already know who and what you are~~ Paraphrased due to lengthy and well documented endeavors here and other farriery colloquials- "give me something I feel I deserve because I am the loudest and threaten' litigious outcomes without paying my dues"


That's your opinion and view. Didn't we discuss the 1st amendment somewhere else?

Going back under your rock and watch some more Rachel and Olberman? Or finally dance the "I am finally in charge of something" jig you been wanting to dance since Katrina?

Jaye it's not Olberman it's Kieth Overbite as Dr. Levin says.

In some ways, my politics are slightly to the right of Attila the Hun's (I usta have a George Wallace bumper sticker on the cantle of my committee saddle); in other ways, I'm somewhat to the left of the late Ted Kennedy. I firmly believe our lack of a national healthcare system is a disgrace! I've heard all the lame excuses and specious reasoning, and none of it is worth a bucket of warm spit - I don't give a damn if any insurance company writing medical insurance ever makes a nickel, I consider them to be impediments, not facilitators, to medical care and I'm old enough to remember when doctors made house calls and they spoke English as a first language.

Can anyone really be naive enough to think some insurance actuary is better qualified than a medical professional to determine the need for a medical procedure?

(To digress for a moment, I often wonder if requiring two years of public service for every graduate of an American medical school with government funding might help alleviate the problem of the chronic lack of doctors in rural areas.)

No one on either side of the aisle seems inclined to mention it, but perhaps we ought re-think the unregulated involvement of multinational insurance companies in American medical care and their involvement in the outrageously high cost of both medical care and prescription drugs - but that would take a politician with guts and, with a few exceptions like Ron Paul and Kinky Friedman, those seem to be an endangered species.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:Amen.

I like your public service idea as well.

This country is divided and confused. Politicians, lawyers and insurance companies love this. Some day more and more people will get disgusted and mad enough and say we are not going to take this anymore. I see more and more getting to that point everyday, so their is hope for change.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:AND make the 2 years after they finish their intership and a few years residency. That way you're sending them for the experience after they have "experience."

Bill Adams wrote:
Bill Now that's funny.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:Funny I did not know we have a lack of health care across the nation.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:So what you are saying is the real problem to the high cost of health care is actually the cost associated with purchasing health insurance. Something that is a personal choice.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:Can anyone really be naive enough to think some government agency is better qualified than a medical professional to determine the need for a medical procedure? Most of the problems I have had with my, government funded health care, is the regulations placed upon on the medical and pharmacies providers by the government agency running the program.

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:How would this be of any benefit? Why should it be required by medical students and not all other students who attended school with government funding? What kind of service should it be? Who should monitor the service?

tbloomer wrote:What kind of experience would that be?

Phil Armitage wrote:I see this as a good thing. People are finally standing up and taking notice of what is happening and letting their representative in government know what they think and want to happen. If the politicians are smart they will listen and heed what the people are saying and doing?

Bradley-1stChoice wrote:
And they would love our Green party or the marajuana party too

Gary_Miller in gray

Funny I did not know we have a lack of health care across the nation.

Now you do. Please don't say anything silly, such as "health care is available to folks who choose pay for it"; in reality, that choice is UNAVAILABLE to millions of citizens in this country.

So what you are saying is the real problem to the high cost of health care is actually the cost associated with purchasing health insurance.

Nossir, I'm saying that the COST of health care is unconscionably high - and that should have nothing to do with the cost of purchasing health care insurance because for-profit insurance is an artificial construction that creates a barrier between patient and doctor.

Something that is a personal choice.

C'mon Gary, do you really think anyone CHOOSES to live under a bridge?

Can anyone really be naive enough to think some government agency is better qualified than a medical professional to determine the need for a medical procedure?

The salient point is that health care professionals are NOT running the health care industry! Insurance company actuaries, not medical personnel, determine the availability of medical procedures.

Most of the problems I have had with my, government funded health care, is the regulations placed upon on the medical and pharmacies providers by the government agency running the program.

I think the way our government has treated our veterans is disgraceful! However, the problem you've had with your government funded health care - or, or that matter, any problems I might encounter with Medicare - have no relationship to the problems of someone unable to obtain ANY health care.

[As an aside, here in the Sunbelt, the emergency rooms have so been overwhelmed by illegal aliens that it's not uncommon for a hospital to place emergency vehicles on "drive by" status, meaning they CANNOT accept ANY patients in their emergency room because they simply don't have enough room. if the gutless bastards in Washington would make it a felony to hire anyone without a valid social security card, a big part of the lack of health care availability would be alleviated - but, don't hold your breath.]

So, yessir, I damn sure believe the government can do better job than the private sector when it comes to providing health care for folks who can't afford insurance! For some reason, it seems fashionable for many folks to disparage our government, as if it were some sort of doofus, collectively incapable of doing anything right - and I vehemently disagree with that proposition! It ain't perfect, it doesn't always get things right, but it's a helluva lot better than whatever system is second best.

Re: Mandatory two-years of public service for doctors educated at medical schools receiving government funding.

How would this be of any benefit?

As I see it, having more doctors in rural areas would be a Good Thing. At present, they tend to gravitate to urban areas, just like farriers, because that's where the money's at.

Why should it be required by medical students and not all other students who attended school with government funding?

You have a valid point. Perhaps two years of some sort of government service for everyone, not just doctors and others slopping at the public educational trough, might not be a bad idea.

What kind of service should it be?

Logically, government service would be in one's field of expertise: Teachers would teach, doctors would doctor, engineers would engineer, etc.

Who should monitor the service?

Big Brother: Who else? Since many graduating students encounter huge debts while in school, it might be a viable means for them to get the debt monkey off their backs while serving their country. Two birds, one rock.

I know, "Me first," and "I got mine" are representative of the personal philosophies of some folks on this forum, but I much prefer the philosophy espoused by JFK's words, "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country."

Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
But...how much is enough???? I have been working (and paying ALLOT of taxes) for some 34 years. I KNOW I will never see a dime of SSN, as it will be gone and/or broke by the time I'm allowed to get it. If we are to provide health care for ALL, then it will have to be paid for from taxes.....no other way to do it. How much taxation is enough???? Right now, my wife and I are losing about 38% of our income to taxes. How high is too high ??? Haven't we done enough?

Why aren't the Dems wanting tort reform???

Do y'all have any idea what a surgeon pays in malpractice insurance??? I picked up a new farrier client, whose husband is a retired Orthopedic surgeon. He was paying $40,000 per year...and he had to keep paying it for 3 years AFTER he retired. Seems that if we would reform the tort laws, and start capping these awards, prices would drop.

Steve

HoustonFarrier wrote:
From http://www.chfpatients.com/tx/transplant.htm

I know he's not doing Transplants as a Orthopedic Surgeon, but
I couldn't find any proceedure costs . . . so
it Looks like one kidney transplate would cover a years insurance



Opps here we go:




From http://www.fly2india4health.com/cost.php