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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 25 Aug 2009 23:05 #196

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Tom is "airing Dirty Laundry " the best term of describing the "image of dirty laundry" that Susan is trying to imply ?

"Dirty laundry" appears to be the image she wants to convey.

We don't know yet if it was a bad decision made by some folks or whether it was a good business decision.

Quite true. There are two sides to every story and the stained knickers might not belong to the AFA. :)
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 25 Aug 2009 23:54 #197

While I have tried to restrain my desire to comment I find there are a few points that need to be made.

The budgetary amount for PF that Susan has cited is right in the ball park for what was being quoted when I was on the finance committee.

During his term as president-elect I watch Andrew lead the charge to kill PF. The finance committee put a major road block in his way when it pointed out that for many, many years the AFA’s membership form contained a specific set aside for a magazine. This did not scotch all his efforts because under his leadership the EC changed the membership form to remove that set aside.

The IT committee had completed all of the necessary upgrades to the underplaying systems for a state of the art website. Dick was supportive of our efforts until Andrew decided to war over his perceived superior expertise and his demands that we move in a direction dictated by him. Dick chose to back Andrew. Danvers lobbied for control of the website and given Andrew’s declared war was able to take control of it because it served Andrews purpose. The new technology and all of it's related software upgrade where flushed down the toilet with Andrews knowledge and with his consent. As I recall Susan was one of his advisors in this matter and she help him in this process.

My last recollection is that Danvers and April were at the time of my departure solely responsible for both editorial and advertising content.

I seem to remember that the upgrade to NFNH in paper and electronic form was proposed as an alternative to printing PF. As I recall this upgrade was a cornerstone item in Andrew’s arsenal during his charge to kill PF.

While my recollections may be inaccurate in some minor detail, from my perspective none of the players have clean hands.

In my opinion, instead of actually serving the interests of the membership in a clean professional way will being respectful of everyone that is contributing the parties involved use or have been using important bits of the benefits offered to the membership and a good portion of the members treasure to make political points or punish those that they disagree with or feel a need to dominate using the tools of character assignation and the truth be damned.

One can only guess what will happen next.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 26 Aug 2009 01:33 #198

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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 26 Aug 2009 02:33 #199

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It seems that Baron has edited my post regarding the AFA publication issue.
First there was nothing accusatory about it, the fact is with that amount of money and free advertising there should at least be a paper trail.
I stated that if its not just irresponsibility then someone should look into having one of the state agencies that overseas 501c3 corporations do an audit.
When it comes to non profit organizations they do have a problem with misappropriation of funds and embezzlement. That is a fact

Given the AFA s past history of less than honesty for instance:
FACT The Walt Taylor Manifesto “never supposed to having seen the light of day” and “being circumspect in our actions” That is from the secret memo.
FACT The Mike Miller report which had no basis whatsoever and had no research whatsoever.
FACT a former AFA president causing quite the ruckus by illegally recording phone calls.
These are just a few of the things we have seen from the AFA hierarchy and using the past shenanigans as a base line I would think someone in the rank and file membership would start asking questions.
I m sorry Baron that you found that accusatory and inflammatory but it is the truth.
Obviously all the chatter on here about freedom of speech and opinions and agreeing to disagree is only meant for a select few.

JD
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 26 Aug 2009 02:39 #200

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Don't spar with me. What I removed was not what you've now posted.

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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 30 Aug 2009 22:16 #201

Dang Baron I thought this thread was locked, it has been dead for awhile. Looks like you killed it with just a mere words. :)
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 31 Aug 2009 15:52 #202

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Now look here Grasshopper, Baron said don't spar with him.

A Shao-lin priest can walk through walls.

A cyber farrier can walk through firewalls. :cool:

You're still leaving foot prints on the rice paper. :p
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 01:47 #203

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Apparently AFA members just don't care where their dues go -- or -- there simply aren't enough actual AFA members on this BB. :confused::cool: oh well...
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 03:21 #204

unbridled wrote:
Apparently AFA members just don't care where their dues go -- or -- there simply aren't enough actual AFA members on this BB. :confused::cool: oh well...
I for one AFA, paying member, am tired of your ****! I know how the dollars worked out , and you were not in the AFA's best interest, Fair - Enough??
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 03:26 #205

And that doesn't include the rancor , that you might have drug the association into , with bad judgement calls. Nuff - Said?? Or would you like to Air- your dirty- Skivvies out on this forum??
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 11:00 #206

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I will say since this thread opened, I have now began to receive e-mails from Region 5 Reps - Thanks a lot guys I appreciate it.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 13:50 #207

beslagsmed wrote:
I will say since this thread opened, I have now began to receive e-mails from Region % Reps - Thanks a lot guys I appreciate it.

Yes, that is true. Since then I have also learned that the regional reps are working their butts off.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 12 Sep 2009 17:51 #208

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Jake Whitman wrote:
I for one AFA, paying member, am tired of your ****! I know how the dollars worked out , and you were not in the AFA's best interest, Fair - Enough??

That is neither here nor there, clients come and go and that's business. The AFA was not necessarily the best place for my company to dedicate resources either. I am glad to be rid of the AFA as a client; the organization was simply to much hassle with too many bifurcations for the limited budget and ambiguity among leaders.

I too am an AFA member, and I find it disgusting that so much money pays to print the PF to host FREE ads for vendors to sell product back to me. It is poor business to have one manufacturer paying full price for an inside cover and a competitor of the same with a full page ad for free. How would you feel if you paid full price for your ads in a publication and your competitor was on the next page for free????


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