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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 22 Aug 2009 01:11 #166

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Did anyone else on this thread get a letter from the AFA attorney regarding their posts -- or am I the only one?
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 22 Aug 2009 13:40 #167

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Susan is it your posts or would it be more explicit to say the content and manner of being expressed ????

I get the impression you are implying you might be getting singled out.

Have you, (I am sure you have) been in touch with the AFA lawyer to fully understand the purpose of the contact ?
(I would imagine its purpose was fully explained in the content of the contact letter).

Since this post has taken on legs of its own and gone astray from my origional post, is it possible to think your posts with alleged allegations on the news letter and magazine and relations to Danvers and April actually be more to the point ?
I am only making an uneducated assumtion.

I think it is important to clarify why the AFA Lawyer decided to contact you so as to not mislead the readers of my origional post.

Watch the nightly news and it is a common practice to get folks excited by telling only part of the story to reel them in.
Tabloids do this all the time... (Alien baby born to farriers wife !!! etc....)

Come on Susan ! Whats the rest of the story ???

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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 22 Aug 2009 14:40 #168

unbridled wrote:
Did anyone else on this thread get a letter from the AFA attorney regarding their posts -- or am I the only one?

Nope, not me.
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 22 Aug 2009 20:04 #169

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I recieved a letter from the AFAs attorney specifically requesting that I provide documentation as to how the PF costs the AFAs members $27,000 and that the AFA BoD does not want me to produce another newsletter (even though we have wonderful content ready to go forth).

As I recall the PF was produced as follows:

$10,000 to iHorseshoe (Danvers & April)
$13,000 to printer (Haywood)
$1,000 Shrink wrap and mailhouse
$3,000 postage

That to me as a member says the publication costs $27,000 to print. What's the big deal? If that is what it costs --- that's what it costs. As a marketing consultant I have voiced opinions that I feel it is overkill given the small circulation, and as a sales person selling advertising I was appauled to learn how many free ads were placed in the publication when other vendors paid full price. For example, when I called on supply houses like Jackson Farrier Supply in Indiana about a hotlinked ad in NFNH they did not even know that they had a monthly ad in the PF and claimed they did not recieve invoices, the same applied to other manufacturers and suppliers. Why should one pay and not another?

Now, the greater concern is: Why does the current leadership feel it is necessary to spend members money policing my posts on Horseshoes.com?
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 22 Aug 2009 23:56 #170

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Susan;
I find your question to be direct and should warrant an answer. Either from the BOD or the Attorney.

Do you think the wording of this could be the basis for the letter from the attorney ?

The website is backwards and out of date and the Professional Farrier magazine COSTS MEMBERS $27,000 PER issue mostly pocketed by editor Danvers Child. The balance sheet bears witness to these facts.

It sure looks like you are calling Danvers a bit of a highwayman.

This portion on Dick Fanguay has been shown to be an incomplete quote in other posts on this site. (by others posting on this site)
See Susans full origional post at bottom of this post.

The reality of the situation with the AFA is that the leader Dick Fanguy does not believe in or foster innovation, which for the AFA is and means proactive communications with ALL its publics; farriers, members, non-members, media, horse community and government.


If your figures are correct then the breakdown you provide shows Danvers gets a portion but another enity gets $13,000 and the rest is divided up .

Would you care to share with us what you got paid and what the actual expenses were with your production ?
For a comparrison.

Let me say I have heard not one person (including myself) who was disapointed with your newsletter.
It was informative and well put together.

Whether you decide to share it here is up to you .

Now, the greater concern is: Why does the current leadership feel it is necessary to spend members money policing my posts on Horseshoes.com?
I recieved a letter from the AFAs attorney specifically requesting that I provide documentation as to how the PF costs the AFAs members $27,000 and that the AFA BoD does not want me to produce another newsletter (even though we have wonderful content ready to go forth).

As I recall the PF was produced as follows:

$10,000 to iHorseshoe (Danvers & April)
$13,000 to printer (Haywood)
$1,000 Shrink wrap and mailhouse
$3,000 postage



This was your origional post.
The reality of the situation with the AFA is that the leader Dick Fanguy does not believe in or foster innovation, which for the AFA is and means proactive communications with ALL its publics; farriers, members, non-members, media, horse community and government. The website is backwards and out of date and the Professional Farrier magazine COSTS MEMBERS $27,000 PER issue mostly pocketed by editor Danvers Child. The balance sheet bears witness to these facts.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 02:52 #171

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Bruce,

I have no issue in sharing what I was paid and what it was for.

In fact, I'd be happy to share my marketing plan for the AFA here on horseshoes.com since no other venue reaches a more appropriate audience for such.

I believe that the farrier is the most important component of any horse operation/organization/stable. This being the case the farrier should be paid super good bc he/she is critical to the success of the horse and the entity behind it.

The ONLY reason I ever worked for the AFA was bc I truly believed that it was the best opportunity to promote the the integral role of the farrier and the overall importance of that role to the well-being of the horse.

Why is the AFA leadership using AFA members' dues to pay an attorney to police my posts on Horseshoes.com --- that is the real crux of the matter here.....yet it remains unanswered?????
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:15 #172

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vthorseshoe wrote:

It sure looks like you are calling Danvers a bit of a highwayman.

I have no idea what Danvers earns for his editorial/production duties, but it has always appeared to me that he may be guilty of what some folks consider to be far more heinous crimes these days.

Hard work and good business savvy.

I say lock him up!

He'd probably welcome the vacation. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Mark
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:18 #173

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unbridled wrote:
Bruce,

I have no issue in sharing what I was paid and what it was for.

A fellow doesn't get THAT kind of generous offer everyday.

Bruce, give Susan your address so she can cut that check!!

What a nice lady! :D

Cheers,
Mark
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:22 #174

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Susan, you're not really concerned about the afa attorney sending you letters are you? I've read a couple pf's and I'm not all that impressed. That's not a knock on Danvers but how many articles do I need to read by Danvers?
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:34 #175

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Susan, you're not really concerned about the afa attorney sending you letters are you? I've read a couple pf's and I'm not all that impressed. That's not a knock on Danvers but how many articles do I need to read by Danvers?
I shure would like to read a few of yours, Step up , and contribute.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:37 #176

Susan, you come across like a bad Ex- Wife, that won't go away!!
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 03:58 #177

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Jake Whitman wrote:
I shure would like to read a few of yours, Step up , and contribute.


I'm in the middle of some very deep research. I feel at this point you are probably not ready for it. It is light years ahead of all farriery and I'm in the process of ****ing it all down. Very soon I will present my findings.
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 04:02 #178

Robert Wright wrote:
I'm in the middle of some very deep research. I feel at this point you are probably not ready for it. It is light years ahead of all farriery and I'm in the process of ****ing it all down. Very soon I will present my findings.
Can I come on down to your Research Center? , Everyone is going for the get rich- quick , these days!! I need to find a Schtick!!
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RE:AFA program a failure in Vermont 23 Aug 2009 04:05 #179

I have some questions about Scotch-Toes. I would like to work with you on.
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Can I come on down to your Research Center? , Everyone is going for the get rich- quick , these days!! I need to find a Schtick!!

Well, you seem like a good young man. I could use a hand in my studies. I will pm you my address.
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