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TOPIC: Tom and George rationaly discuss labor

Tom and George rationaly discuss labor 04 Jul 2009 15:30 #1

  • T.N. Trosin
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Moved over From the other thread
George says wrote:
People the Union does business with if we find them to be not friendly to us or working against our best interests they'll quickly join the ranks of those we no longer do business with.
I said in response wrote:
Like Race Platers in California? And yes I will always bring that up.
George came back with wrote:
You bring nothing up. You want to say something about California platers say it already before you go away for 6 more months. Come on Tom bring it on, truth of what you allude to could prove embarrassing to all you guys.

Okay here is what I will say, the JHU leadership out here did a ****py job of management, they viewed the guys at the Quarter Horses and Harness as underlings, not as brothers even though they were paying into the same coffers, and the National never came out here and corrected that situation. After the Union lost the test the National couldn't offer anybody any assurance that their bennifits would stay in place so guys quit paying their dues. Handy excuse to get out of town. That's what i have in a nut shell, I await your enlightenment.

On another subject
George wrote:
When Mustad destroyed Simonds rasp company and threw hundreds of Americans out of work I and a few others found that reprehensible.
Me wrote:
Simonds is still in business as far as I know.http://www.simondsinternational.com/
George wrote:
Tell that to the good folks in Ohio who were thrown out of work and lost their livelihoods in favor of 3rd world scabs.

I'm not certain who did what as far as Simonds goes, so I'm not going to say.

What I will say is that if I have a corporation that markets a product to less than an half of one percent of the country's population, and I have products that I can market to the majority of the population I am going to spin off the former if I get the right offer.
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RE:Tom and George rationaly discuss labor 04 Jul 2009 16:21 #2

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T.N. Trosin wrote:
Moved over From the other thread
Okay here is what I will say, the JHU leadership out here did a ****py job of management,
On that we can partially agree. They suffered from p i s s poor leadership for many years but they are and always have been very de-centralized. Thus, most of the blame for Califoria lies squarely with California's Local. Solution to that would have been to replace them at the local level through the democratic process as the Union constitution stipulates. Instead you guys still speak of Duke Bonde with reverance and awe. You guys even went as far as to put him in the hall of fame.:rolleyes:
they viewed the guys at the Quarter Horses and Harness as underlings, not as brothers even though they were paying into the same coffers,
To best of my recollection QH guys never were Union. Harness is not true especially where I come from. They always had seats on the board and the president when I first started shoeing was a harness guy. If that's how it was in California then again it was isolated to there.
and the National never came out here and corrected that situation.
And what would you like them to have done?
After the Union lost the test the National couldn't offer anybody any assurance that their bennifits would stay in place so guys quit paying their dues.
I can assure you just as sure as God wrote it on a rock that if you don't pay your dues there will be no benefits. This seems pretty elementary to most but evidently not to horseshoers. A couple of years ago I got a call from someone inquiring about a death benefit for a guy who died. I was told he was a member in California for a number of years before he moved back here. Unfortunately he was SOL because he quit when everybody else did. Insurance is not a savings account. It doesn't work that way. Try not paying your car insurance sometime and watch how long you keep coverage.
Wanna talk about how they lost the test too?
I'm not certain who did what as far as Simonds goes, so I'm not going to say.

What I will say is that if I have a corporation that markets a product to less than an half of one percent of the country's population, and I have products that I can market to the majority of the population I am going to spin off the former if I get the right offer.
Have no idea where they're at now but at the time of Mustad's corporate raid I believe they had majority of market share. I haven't bought a Columbian made one yet and never will.
George
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