RalphCasey wrote:Thus far, the questions you have not answered far exceed those that you have.So? neither were most, if not all of us.......So?The threat was a display of elementary school playground antics, engaged in by those who lack the mental acumen to debate/discuss without resorting to threats of violence. Of passing interest to some will be whether or not those two neanderthals are more brag or mostly buckle.Speakning only for myself, I use neither. And, I think I can safely say that neiter does Mr. Stovall or several other denizens of this web site.And just what is it that you, a man of action, are getting done?Far as I can tell, the jury is out on one and has delivered a verdict on the other.What a gift! You are truely blessed.You need a dictionary for that??????Ah, god-like. Don't look now but that god has feet of clay.Perhaps our benevolent dictator is the god, errrrr, man for the job.Well, you've less than adroitly avoided the first, and I wonder what led you to believe that the second was not already occurring without your encouragement.IMNTBCHO, you have nothin to apologize for. Anyone who gets their feelings hurt on the internet needs to rub some salt in their wounds, toughen up and grow some hair.No, but willful ignorance, foolishness, and stu*pidity are.And this makes you(the collective) unique or different, how?As long as you keep it to yourselves, you cannot and do not benefit the industry. Rather, you selfishly only, benefit yourselves.
I re-direct your attention to the statement made by Mr. Stovall. To wit: with research its publish or perish. You might want to think on that for a bit and figure out how it impacts what you and the coterie are doing at your "Research Center".Thank you for substantiating my point for me. You benefit you, end of discussion.You needed a Research Center to figure that out?Why should we? You're not publishing the results of our efforts, so again, who benefits? You.Well, it has been said that immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.......If that's what you've learned, then I submit that you have been educated above your level of intelligence.In case it has somehow missed your attention, respect is earned.Think again. Respect and caring are two entirely different things.And I say, The people who enjoy no respect, don't count.A demonstrable prevarication.Well, in case you missed it, that's not how it works. Remember, "publish or perish"."Cowards die many times but the valient only taste death once"You have yet to demonstrate that you are doing anything that remotely resembles research, let alone furthering farrier science.

Rick Burten, PF

I would like to know how we provoked the Hinson clan into wanting to hand out a few asswhippings? I for one have never had a word to say to Jr. but obiviously I have rubbed him the wrong way with something. What Im not sure. Its easy to threaten somebody while sitting behind a computer screen. I took it with a grain of salt. I wasnt home schooled never went to college or any of that. But I have never felt threaten by the way Rick Burten or Tom Stovall answer questions. I have had lengthy conversations with both and left with a little more knowledge than before. Why can you fault a man/men that speak what is on their mind. I respect someone more for standing up for what they believe than somebody that will sit back and say nothing. You see how far the threats went and Im starting to see its typical BWFA hit and run tactics.

Baron I guess now you need to set a standard of what level you are allowed to speak on the forums so in the future nobody feels threatend and feels the need to make threats.

Hey Bryan,

I agree with what you are saying about the threats, that is no way to handle things. When I first posted on this forum I was a little thrown off by Rick Burten. He seemed to be just talking down to people, but I guess he just says whats on his mind. I will say that the first time I posted on another thread and asked a question Mr. Burten was one of the first to answer. The only problem I have with him now is half the time I can't understand what he is saying. Unfortunatley my level of education is not very high. I finished highschool (somehow), but when I got to college I was more concerned about the next college rodeo than going to class.

I think this is a great forum I have gained alot of knowledge. I hate that so many people have a bad opinion about the BWFA and its members. In some cases I can't say that I blame them, but I don't know how to change it. I am not here to speak for Ralph, I am just talking as a member.

Hi everyone, I have been extremely busy this week and have not read everything here lately. However I recieved this Email today.
I am not in any way acting as a spokesperson for Kelly or Chad, and frankly could give a flip what they think.
However the Email is self explanatory and I am simply following Kelly's request in forwarding it here. It is pasted verbatim. Patty

What a cop out by the SureShod brain trust.

At least now they have shown their true colors, and they ain't red, white or blue.

I engage in discourse in the manner I do so that individual thoughts and/or comments can be addressed directly on a point by point basis.

That Mr. Case and company find this off putting speaks more their insecurities than anything else. Go figure.....

Regardless, thanks for posting their whine.

Edited to add: Blaming me and FHRC for canceling Patty's visit is one of the funniest and at the same time saddest excuses I've heard in quite some time. Shame on them. Guess the meaning of "Cowboy Up" is lost on them, eh?

Hey Patty, When I called Kelly it was about the post on balancing the deer that made everyone in the BWFA look bad. I thought that your trip being cancled was understood between you two and did not mean to bring it back up.


Thanks Chad

Dadgum Mr. Burten, you seem to be quite the force to reckon with! May the force be with you! It is funny, when I met you in Cinncinati I just never dreamed you were the Big Bully some portray you to be.:confused: Damn, I guess I am just getting old.
Wayne White

Chad you make some very good points threats are not a good way to handle things, after all actions speak louder than words.

As for Rick I have met a thousand other blowhards like him he is a typical FIB the only difference between Rick and your average street punk in Chicago is Rick does have a better vocabulary. Actually he is either quite funny or quite pathetic depending on how you view him. I like to think that I am a pretty compassionate person and well I feel sorry for him face it this is really all the man has is these forums and that’s pretty sad.

Now as for these forums I think Baron has a great idea here and obviously neither the BWFA or the AFA can generate this kind of interest in hoof care however like any good businessman Baron knows he needs traffic to the site to keep advertisers happy and letting folks like Rick run there mouths is a good way to get people to hit this site.
So as long as people encourage his behavior Baron will let it go on, I mean come on there is another website where even Tom Stovall goes to ridicule Rick and Patti.
I don’t want too sound like Ralph Casey but these folks are like hens at a pecking party one hen gets a spot on her, another hen pecks at it, that hen gets a spot of blood on her and another hen pecks at that pretty soon all the hens have specks of blood on them then they are all pecking at the spots on each other until the whole damn hen house is a bloody mess. That’s what goes on here so everyone gets so busy pecking at the spot on the other person that nothing gets accomplished……
I personally have started to contact the advertisers on this site and have asked them to read these forums and see some of the **** that is written here by folks like Rick and I encourage each and every person that actually wants to share knowledge or have civil discussions where ego’s are put aside to do the same, after all Baron isn’t really providing anything it’s the vendors that are providing this forum perhaps if they contact Baron and say something that threatens his pocketbook changes will happen. John Lennon once said “ A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words” maybe if AFA members and BWFA members just shut up and pulled out of there respective organizations things would change, same here just let it all go quiet for a few months and see what happens.

Bryan, I have read some of your posts and you seem like a pretty intelligent guy and you are probably pretty damned good at what you do. You ask what did you do to bring the ire of the Hinson family down on you? Well let me tell you if you go back and read some of your posts you will find that you and a few others on here really don’t do much more than parrot Rick, so get an original thought and an original comeback and you may find that people wont want too kick your ass. That’s constructive criticism by the way and not meant too be a bash so please take it in the vein it was meant.

Ron, I just read your private message to me, the statements made by me are not slanderous nor are they libelous I was just repeating what I heard your brethren in here say about you.
See Ron you are one of the hens and these hens will peck at you even if you think you are one of them. Do you get it Ron? No you more than likely you don’t so let me explain I repeated what I read in the forums, now I don’t believe all that **** and I really don’t care if it’s true or not, however what do you think Joe horse owner thinks when he reads it?
He thinks wow Ron is a jerk!! He thinks wow these shoers are all a bunch of *****s!! So we all look bad thanks to the arrogant and pretentious attitudes that permeate this forum and our trade in general.
Also in the interest of …… what did you call it when you and Rick made your failed attempt for the top slot in the AFA…… oh “Transparency” get your facts straight and say what you have to say here in public not in a Nixon like back channel cowardly communiqué

JD.

Chad ,
if you have a problem with it being brought up, then talk to Kelly . AS stated in the Email, he clearly requested that I post his feelings on the matter here. So I did, in his own words.
Patty

Mr. Sawyer and friends,
It dose my heart good to see so many have gotten their "jaw outta joint" over the words of so few. Seems to me this was the desired result and their fun is just beginning. Please don't overlook the entertainment value of these forums,I'm sure it's not lost on the vendors/advertisers.

No smileys for you!

Clint Burrell

JD Sawyer in gray, stuff deleted

So as long as people encourage his behavior Baron will let it go on, I mean come on there is another website where even Tom Stovall goes to ridicule Rick and Patti.

I often take issue with Ms Stiller's incessant NB commercials to the point of ad hominem at times, but I have never ridiculed Mr. Burten on this, or any other, forum. Since you've said I have, you are a liar. Plain enough?

I personally have started to contact the advertisers on this site and have asked them to read these forums and see some of the **** that is written here by folks like Rick and I encourage each and every person that actually wants to share knowledge or have civil discussions where ego’s are put aside to do the same, after all Baron isn’t really providing anything it’s the vendors that are providing this forum perhaps if they contact Baron and say something that threatens his pocketbook changes will happen.

I know one advertiser who will tell you to go pee up a rope! As I see it, whenever anyone attempts to censor the free exchange of information on the basis of their personal opinion of the way things oughta be, they are merely another control freak with an agenda. Personally, I don't agree with many of the opinions expressed on this forum, but since I'm capable of critical thinking and stating my position in a logical manner, I don't much care how other folks choose to express theirs. It don't make a rat's patootie if they encase their opinion with hells and damns or sweetness and light - ultimately, the validity of any opinion lies in its logic and factual content, not it's presentation.

In other words, it ain't the box, it's what's inside.

JD Sawyer wrote:I just love it when some no account armchair Sigmund Freud wanna-be prattles on like you do JD.

The only blowhard in this conversation has initials other than RPB. Maybe you and the Hinsons should get together so you can cry and whine in each others beer.Seems to me that you're the one running your mouth or is it that someone has their hand up you butt and is making your lips flap for you?You sir(or is it ma'am?) are an out and out, common, every day, ill-informed, liar. That clear enough for you?Hmmm, seems as though you have just described your own behavior. Go figure.And I'm sure your words will carry great weight,( just about the weight of a tail feather plucked from the ass of a ruby throated hummingbird) with those august individuals. After all, you are, J.D. Sawyer, right?Oh that it were that you were a more astute reader who was able to separate the wheat from the chaff by understanding content in context. Were that glorious condition to exist for you, you might not have so willingly exposed the soft underbelly of your lack of awareness.I like that. "The ire of the Hinson family". Its kinda catchy. Sounds real foreboding too. I'm sure Bryan is quaking in his boots. I'll bet that he is so worried by drawing their ire down on him that it makes facing those bulls pale by comparison. Betcha he sleeps with one eye open now just in case one (or more) of those stalwarts should appear on his door step. I know that's what I'm doing now. LOL!Uh-huh. However, in the same spirit of constructive criticism, I offer this for/to you. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Now, that is not meant to be a bash so please take it in the vein it was meant.................Repeating lies and slander is no less libelous and slanderous than if they originated with you. And you have the temerity to accuse others of parroting another person's words? ROTFLMFAO!!!!That you are a ventriloquist's dummy.Funny you should mention that. Did you get that from looking at the man in the mirror?Ron is more diplomatic than I. I like to do my snake killing in public, Ron takes the higher road whenever he can. Apparently that is an alien concept to you JD.

xxxooo

Rick

That hen pecking analogy is funny though.

Phil Armitage wrote:Perhaps JD is married or in some other 'dominent/submissive" relationship and that is why he(she?) is so familiar with it........

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Phil, glad you liked the hen analogy. One of my first jobs (somewhere around 8th grade if I remember correctly) was working at a chicken farm where they ran about ½ million chickens and believe it or not one of the reason that they band the chickens beaks before they ship is because of the pecking party that can ensue with 5 or 6 thousand hens stuffed in a holding area, it is not pretty especially when you are literally the “kid” who has to clean up after it.

Tom you and I have met albeit very briefly and that day I decided you are a liar, plain and simple my friend your age has allowed you to start to believe you are truly something special and I can see where your BS sucks some people in especially the ones that are young and don’t know any better. Go back and read some of your posts on this thread and others you have posted on through out the last few years and you will see the inconsistencies My mom used to say “Lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas” Tom I would recommend a good shower with Adams flea and tick shampoo it works on my dogs, and at least you wont spread the fleas, to those that chose to be around you.

Rick, first I prefer Jung over Freud, and as a former PO for the state of Illinois I can honestly say you are a punk I ve seen a thousand like you.
Your comment in regards to my relationship with my wife shows just how shallow and scared you are of anyone who see’s the real you again very pathetic.
As for my wife she passed away 4 yrs ago and if having her riding beside me again meant that I had to be henpecked, cuckold, submissive or whatever you would like to call it than so be it, I miss her that much. I know you probably have never loved or been loved by a woman that much to understand. Once again I truly must say I feel sorry for you.

JD