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Activitists at work again 24 Apr 2009 02:44 #1

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I copied this off of my old Boss Elephant man's webblog. Things are a trying to change and not for the good of animal people! This is apparently starting in California. Gary and Kari Johnson own and show their elephants in alot of movies and TV commericals that we all see all the time.
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From Kari Johnson

This bill is bad for more than just elephants. Please take a moment to read the info below and write, call or e-mail. Thanks. ~Kari
Wide cross posting of this email is requested in its entirety, with links and PIJAC PDF attachment.
WE NEED YOUR HELP - WHETHER YOU OWN AN "EXOTIC" ANIMAL OR ANY OTHER ANIMAL.
HR 669 IS SET FOR HEARING ON 4/23/09.
WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO KILL HR 669 NOW.
THE ISSUE - WHAT IS HR 669? - WHAT WILL IT DO?
"ONE GENERATION AND OUT" is not just limited to purebred dogs and cats. Now our "non-native" species" are targets of the animal prohibitionist agenda. Under HR 669, "non-native" basically means if a species of animal didn't live in the US before the arrival of Columbus it is "non-native", and if HR 669 passes, most non-native species of animal (i.e., exotic animals) won't remain in the US much longer. That means your exotic pet bird, reptile, fish, or mammal.
HR 669 is a very serious and harmful animal prohibition proposal. HR 669 is not needed to protect our environment. HR 699 is the legislative equivalent of a nuclear bomb that is aimed at the entire US exotic pet industry, all US exotic pet owners, and all exotic animals in the US.
See next post please.
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 24 Apr 2009 02:45 #2

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HR 669 is an "anti-animal bill". There is no amendment that can fix this bill. HR 669 will hurt everyone who owns an animal, and it will hurt our animals. Breeder, pet owner, rescuer, rehabilitator, zoo, service or product provider - it doesn't matter - we will all be hurt by this bill. HR 669 needs to be killed at the April 23rd hearing - not amended, not "made better" - HR 669 NEEDS TO BE KILLED. Please contact the Representatives hearing this bill NOW and ask them to KILL HR 669 (see below for contact information).
All import, export, transport across State lines, selling, buying, bartering, or offering to sell, buy or barter, and all breeding, of all non-native species not on the "approved list" will be prohibited - even by zoos, sanctuaries, and licensed breeders. Permits authorizing only "importation" may be issued to "zoos, scientific research, medical, accredited zoological or aquarium display purposes, or for educational purposes that are specifically reviewed, approved, and verified by the Secretary". There is no requirement that any permits be granted. Even if these institutions are able to obtain the required permits, where will they obtain their imported animals? Habitat for many species is declining worldwide, many species are endangered or threatened in the wild, and many species cannot be imported to the US under the CITES treaty. The result of this bill will be to put a stop domestic breeding of most endangered or threatened species in the US for zoos, conservation, or reintroduction programs. Zoos are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.
If you "possess" a non-approved species "legally" prior to enactment of the law, you will be allowed to keep it, but all of the other restrictions pf HR 669 will still apply to your species - you will not be allowed to sell, transfer, transport across State lines, export, barter, trade, breed, or give that animal to anyone else.
Pet owners will not be allowed to take their non-approved pets with them if they move to another state, and they will not be allowed to transfer them to anyone else who can care for them. Those pets will be euthanized when their owners move, die, or can no longer keep their pets for whatever reason. Pet owners and their pets are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.
"Rescue" and "sanctuary" will not be available for any non-approved species unless the rescue or sanctuary keeps only species found within their respective States. That result has been contemplated for years. Rescues and Sanctuaries are not immune from the animal prohibitionist agenda.
Any person or company manufacturing or selling food or products for non-native (exotic) species will be affected by this act. If non-native (exotic) species cannot be legally possessed, bought, sold, or transferred, there will be no incentive for manufacturers of food, caging, and supplies for these animals to remain in business. Where will non-native (exotic) animal owners obtain the food and materials needed to keep their animals?
THE LEGAL DETAILS OF THIS BILL
Under existing federal law, it must be shown that a species is harmful before it is prohibited. That approach is reasonable, and has worked reasonably well for many years. In essence, HR 669 turns that reasonable approach on its head, and substitutes the unreasonable and unjustified approach of "bomb first, ask questions later".
HR 669 requires the government to create an "approved" list of "non-native" species that will be allowed in the US. Any species not on the "approved" list will be prohibited. Under HR 669 the "approved" list shall include "nonnative wildlife species that the Secretary finds ... based on scientific and commercial information .... (A) are not harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health; or (B) may be harmful to the United States' economy, the environment, or other animal species' or human health, but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States."
It takes time and money for the government to study any species and make a "finding". Time and money are always in short supply, and are especially in short supply in this economy. If your species is not included on the original "approved list", then under HR 669 you can try to get your species "approved" by paying a fee and submitting a proposal to our government to include it on the "approved list". Your proposal "must include sufficient scientific and commercial information to allow the Secretary to evaluate whether the proposed nonnative wildlife species is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species' or human health." While your proposal is being "evaluated" by our government, you and your animals are still subject to the restrictions of HR 669. Whether your proposal will ever be granted is pure speculation.
There are more than 9000 bird species, and thousands of species of birds are kept in the US. There are many other non-native (exotic) species owned by animal lovers across the US. How many bird or other non-native (exotic) species do you think our government can afford to study and determine that they can be added to this newly created "approved list"?
If the required study can't be made of a species, and the required finding isn't made about a species, the animal won't make it to the approved list. That applies to every species of non-native (exotic) animal.
WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP KILL HR 669
Contact your Representatives NOW
1. You can use NAIA's Capwiz tool to send an automatic email or fax to each of the Representatives who will hear this bill to ask them to KILL HR 669. Here's the link to send your email using Capwiz:
<www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/>
2. PIJAC has provided us with a PDF flyer which explains to pet owners how HR 669 will hurt all of us and our animals. The PIJAC PDF flyer has live links to the contact pages on our Representatives' websites, and is attached to this email. The PIJAC PDF flyer provides you with contact information - use it. Please contact your own Representatives NOW, and tell them to KILL HR 669. Be polite and respectful, but be clear and firm in your opposition to this bill. Be brief, and tell them a few reasons why you think it is a bad bill. Short and to the point works best. If you have time, you can also contact all of the Representatives in your State.
Write to your Representative using their contact pages on their websites. Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard for us to contact many of our Representatives - simple emails don't often go through, letters aren't read, and we have to write individually to our Representatives using the contact pages they put up on their websites. PIJAC has done the work to give us live links to these contact pages on their websites so that we can make those contacts (see the attached PIJAC PDF flyer), and NAIA is making "Capwiz" available for the one-shot contact - go to the Capwiz webpage at <www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/>
Call and Fax your Representative at the numbers provided on the attached PDF PIJAC flyer.
Be sure to contact the local office of your own Representative by phone, and if you can, make a personal visit. Our congressional representatives are now on recess, and will return to their work at the Capitol next week. Let your Representatives' local offices know NOW that you want them to KILL HR 669. If the local staff hear from enough constituents that they want a bill killed, they will let their Representatives know that their constituents hate this bill.
3. Distribute this email, NAIA's link, and PIJAC's PDF flyer widely to everyone you know who loves animals and wants to keep them in our lives. In particular, send it to any pet lists you are on. This bill will impact almost all non-native animals. Ask them to contact the representatives and ask them to KILL HR 669.
You can see PIJAC's earlier alert on HR 669 here:
<www.pijac.org/files/public/US_HR_669.pdf>
You can see the full text of the bill here: <frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc....cid=f:h669ih.txt.pdf>
A NOTE ALL ANIMAL OWNERS, AND ESPECIALLY TO BIRD OWNERS
Does the Pennsylvania Proposed Ban of the Nanday Conure of 2008 ring a bell for anyone?
For those bird owners who fought so hard and so well for the Nanday in Pennsylvania in 2008 - that was just target practice.
HR 669 IS THE ANIMAL PROHIBITIONIST NUCLEAR OPTION - STOP IT NOW.
Get your phones, emails, and faxes working and get our troops marching again. We need every one of you to help again, and we need the help of everyone you know. It doesn't matter if they own a bird, a dog, a cat, a turtle, a hamster, a fish, a snake, a tiger, a monkey, or any other animal. We are all affected by this bill. Don't let the animal prohibitionists force their agenda on the rest of us.
Thanks,
Genny Wall
Attorney at Law
AFA Legislative VP
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 24 Apr 2009 23:22 #3

Activists need to get a life. I think all the hot air they produce is bad for the enviroment.
Phil Armitage, CF
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"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
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RE:Activitists at work again 25 Apr 2009 02:06 #4

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Problem is that they have so much money behind them! It is scary where our once Great Nation is heading!:eek:
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 25 Apr 2009 02:21 #5

Gary Hill wrote:
Problem is that they have so much money behind them! It is scary where our once Great Nation is heading!:eek:

Some things have changed, but most things are still the same. Keep the faith.
Phil Armitage, CF
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"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 15:21 #6

This might be a response to the lady who's chimp went on a rampage and tore the her friends face off and chewed her hands off.
Does anyone remember that news here lately????????????

She was warned over and over again that the chimps behavior was changing, and not for the better.

Sorry, but.................
We have way to many "novices" owning exotics without proper knowledge on how to handle these animals. These animals belong in proper care of professionals only.

We have so many shelter dogs and cats alone that need homes; and has anyone looked at animal planet's.....animal cops???????

Gee.......we can even get regular people who own horses to take care of their feet the right way!

I am a the late Dianne Fossey - Mt. gorilla expert and Jane Goodall - chimp expert; fan when it comes to seeing and hearing from them their studies on primates.
They are "not" a replacement for human children, as the lady who owned the chimp said.
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 17:40 #7

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This might be a response to the lady who's chimp went on a rampage and tore the her friends face off and chewed her hands off.
Does anyone remember that news here lately????????????

She was warned over and over again that the chimps behavior was changing, and not for the better.

Sorry, but.................
We have way to many "novices" owning exotics without proper knowledge on how to handle these animals. These animals belong in proper care of professionals only.

We have so many shelter dogs and cats alone that need homes; and has anyone looked at animal planet's.....animal cops???????

Gee.......we can even get regular people who own horses to take care of their feet the right way!

I am a the late Dianne Fossey - Mt. gorilla expert and Jane Goodall - chimp expert; fan when it comes to seeing and hearing from them their studies on primates.
They are "not" a replacement for human children, as the lady who owned the chimp said.

Correction:......the lady meant that this was her "child" as she were to bear a child, raised it as a human child;...................
They are not human children; they are apes and belong with their own kind.

Also, it is a known fact as apes get older; they get more aggressive, protect their territory; want to mate; especially the males.

read up on Jane Goodall's book on Apes, and the book, "Gorillas in the Mist." and Dianne Fossey's findings on gorilla behavior.

Thanks....................Linda Marie
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 19:57 #8

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All very true, that way too many people do have exotics as pets and should not! I know alot of people that should not be allowed to own horses also. The problem with the Activitists is that they don't want ANYONE to own animals for any reason. Lets hope and pray that the Triple Crown races coming up, go off without any thing going wrong as the past few years has or you will see them loaded with ammo to come after the racing industry, and your Union ain'tagone be able to do anything about it.
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 20:15 #9

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This is what one of Expert Friends has to say about and to the AR people!
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"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 21:33 #10

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ladyblacksmith wrote:
This might be a response to the lady who's chimp went on a rampage and tore the her friends face off and chewed her hands off.
Does anyone remember that news here lately????????????

She was warned over and over again that the chimps behavior was changing, and not for the better.

Sorry, but.................
We have way to many "novices" owning exotics without proper knowledge on how to handle these animals. These animals belong in proper care of professionals only.

We have so many shelter dogs and cats alone that need homes; and has anyone looked at animal planet's.....animal cops???????

Gee.......we can even get regular people who own horses to take care of their feet the right way!

I am a the late Dianne Fossey - Mt. gorilla expert and Jane Goodall - chimp expert; fan when it comes to seeing and hearing from them their studies on primates.
They are "not" a replacement for human children, as the lady who owned the chimp said.

The animal rights nuts have been trying to free the cats and rats and elephants from the evil circus for a very long time...and end rodeo, horse racing and just about everything else.

Look at how many people are mauled every year by dogs. If they were looking to save people from getting hurt, it would be dogs they would be trying to outlaw.
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 21:35 #11

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Mike they fill dumpsters with dogs and cats they rescue!
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 27 Apr 2009 21:55 #12

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Gary Hill wrote:
Mike they fill dumpsters with dogs and cats they rescue!

"Rescue" is a funny word for it huh?
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RE:Activitists at work again 28 Apr 2009 01:56 #13

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This just in HOT off the press! Good Guys Win!
Monday, April 27, 2009
From Kari Johnson

Thanks to everyone who contacted their legislators regarding HR 669!!!!
Effort to Ban Exotic Pets 'Effectively Dead'
Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009,
By Benjamin Weiner

Opponents of House Resolution 669, known as the Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act, proclaimed the bill "effectively dead" after a Congressional subcommittee hearing April 23 in Washington, D.C.
The legislation could have halted trade in thousands of nonnative animal species in the U.S., including most birds, reptiles, fish and several mammals-hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs and ferrets-commonly kept as pets.
Pet owners and pet industry players throughout the country have been contacting their representatives in grass-roots opposition to the bill.
The hearing was held by the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife, chaired by Rep. Madeleine Bordallo, D-Guam, who wrote the bill.
The hearing record is being held open for 10 days for responses and for the panel to decide whether to proceed with the bill.
But Andrew Wyatt, president of the United States Association of Reptile Keepers, called the hearing a "smashing success."
"H.R. 669 is effectively dead," Wyatt said.
"Two weeks leading up to the hearing, USARK mounted a grass-roots campaign of letter writing and phone calls," he said. "We swamped Capitol Hill with almost 50,000 letters that were delivered to subcommittee members."
Wyatt added that on top of that, thousands of phone calls were made and e-mails and letters sent to subcommittee members.
Marshall Meyers, CEO and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, testified before the panel as a representative of pet owners and the pet industry.
"We support the development of a strategic, risk-based process to prevent the introduction of invasive species into the United States," Meyers said in written testimony.
Invasive species are nonnative species that can be harmful if introduced into the environment.
However, he continued, the current draft of the bill "does not adequately take socio-economic issues and risk management options into account" and would "require funds and staffing not currently available, nor likely to be available, to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service."
Meyers said PIJAC is willing to work with the subcommittee to craft more realistic legislation that serves the public and affected industries alike.
"We recognize the bill is by no means perfect and that changes will be needed to address various concerns before any legislation moves forward," said Rep. Bordallo, the chairwoman.
"As it stands, PIJAC still has issues with points of this bill's impracticality or lack of clarity," Meyers said.
"During the past few weeks I have received thousands of calls, e-mails and letters written by constituents in strong opposition to this bill," subcommittee member Rep. Henry E. Brown, R-S.C., said during the hearing.
Later, Wyatt quoted Harry Burroughs of the subcommittee staff as telling him, "I haven't seen a letter writing campaign like this in 30 years! You should be proud of yourselves."
Rep. Eni F.H. Faleomavaega of American Samoa, a bill co-sponsor, congratulated Meyers, PIJAC and the pet industry for the tremendous grassroots response that has been generated, noting that it is important to have input from constituents.
Wyatt added that Faleomavaega said that the letters and phone calls hit them like a "buzz saw."
"We're so proud of all the people out there who sent letters and e-mails and made phone calls," he said.
No further action is necessary from pet owners and the pet industry, Wyatt said. PIJAC and USARK will continue to monitor the bill
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:Activitists at work again 30 Apr 2009 21:43 #14

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Green alligators, and long neck geese, humpy back camels, and chimpanzeesMike Ferrara wrote:
. . . cats and rats and elephants . . .
but sure as yer born, you're never gonna shoe no unicorn. :p
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Here's the deal. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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RE:Activitists at work again 04 May 2009 20:29 #15

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Well how about stopping the government as well.

http://www.libertyark.org/
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