In light of what is going on in today's world, I thought that these observations by Mr. Jefferson were worth pondering. Perhaps they should be required reading for Obama and Co.

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall
become as corrupt as Europe .
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A
principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of
them.

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from
too much government.

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government. "

And, in light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the
banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the
people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. "

Rick Burten wrote:
He ain't that smart, he witnessed what happened in England. My history teacher said the reason we had to learn history in school is so the next generation would avoid making the same mistake. What the heck happened, did they take history out of the class rooms.

Don't worry Rick, plenty of middle age blue collar workers in this country keeping a very close eye on the situation.

Phil Armitage wrote:Whatever makes you think I'm worried? I'm not. I'm disgusted.

Perhaps it should have been required reading for Bush & Co. since they got us into this mess!

Phil Armitage wrote:
Along with all of the RING AROUND THE COLLAR workers


horseshoer123 wrote:
It may have started back further with Clinton or back further . . .

. . . proplem is USA's economy is based on credit interest, and the such.

Info:
How much is a trillion dollars:
If you were to make/loss a million dollars a day,
from the year Zero/Jesus birth
it would take till the year 2737
to make/loss a trillion dollars.
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Rick Burten wrote:
I hear ya Rick. I have mixed feelings of disgust and mistrust. On one hand I am disgusted to think people can be so ignorant on the other I can't help but wonder if they are really smart and forcing change. I can't help but wonder how much of our economic crisis and problems with the auto industry is all caused by junk science behind Global Warming?

I sure the heck do not see Global Warming. When is it going to start? Past couple of winters have been very cold and more snow than usual.

Phil Armitage wrote:
Yes, it has been very cold since Oct '08 and in the 30's, cold windy
weather:(.
Now it's in April '09; and it's still cold windy weather. High of 45/low of 34 Still:mad:

Well just go to heat wave this spring/summer of straight 90's for the next 20 weeks, then winter in the fall of '09 with 30's again.

Phil Armitage wrote:
Phil your home town ain't the barometer, so to speak, of global warming.
You need to look at the N/S Poles to really see it.

The ice caps are disappearing, FAST.

When the north and south (not USA) poles heat up,
it changes the weather patterns world wide.
some areas get colder and some get warmer.
More and bigger storms etc. etc.

Just because you don't see it out your front living room window don't mean it ain't happening.

Well now that the banks are being nationalized, the large coorperations are being run by the government(didn't the WH order firing of a CEO?), I fear we are headed down a path we can't recover from. Ever since 1971 when we were finally taken off the gold standard we were doomed. Slowly they will get the 2nd overthrown and our guns will be gone - but it will be painted as the government knows best for us and all the liberials will be bowing at his feet singing his praises. Obama can't even take time to visit the Normandy Cemetary to honor our national heros properly. Every thing this POTUS has done so far is leading our country down hill.

I do like the fact that when Obama called for Europe to accept Turkey into the Europeon Union, the French President told Obama to mind his own business (http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/04/07/obamas-europe-trip-a-good-opening-act/). Hopefully people will open their eyes and wake up.

The current and recently past leaders aren't ******, they are just getting power the Marxist way instead of Jeffersonian.

Hey Bradley,
The ice caps are fine.
Is 'ol Chuckie Misslead still around? Haven't heard of him for years.

Bill Adams wrote:
yes they sure are !!!



Now, now, I kinda like that Chuck Missler guy,

He doesn't beg for my money, he ain't doin the limo back seat thing,
and he talks just fine.

I don't know if he's on the radio anymore,
but he emails me every now and again, just to say "Hi Bradley".

beslagsmed wrote:Mike,

Haven't you heard? They're not going to ban guns, they're going to make it impossible to manufacture or buy ammunition for our guns. One more way to make an end run around the Constitution.

Guess they'll have to make charcoal, sulfur, potassium nitrate and lead illegal. If they don't we can just make our own. Have done it before!!

Bradley-1stChoice wrote:
I'm not using my home town as a barometer, I'm not that simple . The last I heard the arctic ice is thicker than normal. Europe is colder, parts of this country are colder than normal. Scientist predict that summers in North America will be cooler than it has been in the last decade. Oh, I forgot they changed it from Global warming to climate change. Silly me.

beslagsmed wrote:
Absolutely and you can buy what you need on E-bay.

They think they have a problem with illegal drugs and the drug cartel, wait until they force people to buy and sell ammo on the black market. Holy cow they have no clue.