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TOPIC: WCF test at Gregory's

WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:00 #1

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So now there will be a WCF testing at Chris Gregory's school in November. The first time it has been done on foriegn soil. So how do all of you feel about thier test and thier scoring system? Is it better than the AFA or the Guild? Is it subjective or objective? Since it's the predecessor to all the tests here in the USA (I know it was not copied), does it have any relevancy to the farrier world here?

You can see the short article on the AFJ web site about time and cost.

Since the other two threads are spending so much time tearing down the other two tests scoring systems I thought I'd ask if anyone knew how the English test sytem works and how it's scored and if we could look to it for some ideas. Not trying to start an argument, but with all the talk about the two groups here I thought it might be interesting to see how they compared to the English system.

Now, if any of these discussions are really relevant, someone from the leadership of the AFA is hopefully reading these and looking at what is being said and how members and non-members feel about this subject. I have to ask how the heck these discussions can go on so long with no input from said AFA leadership. They don't have to get into the arguing, but they could at least put in the AFA's stance and reasoning behind what they do and why they do it. Might not be a bad idea since they can't do that on there own site. We have members trying to defend them but the leadership is still working incognito without any info being disseminated to the membership. If the AFA certifiacation program is the best thing about the AFA as some say, why the heck aren't those in charge defending it along with the members?

Dick, members of the EC, members of the board, where are you, where is your input, where is the AFA?
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:10 #2

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Ben,
are they bringing over English examiners
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smitty88 wrote:
Ben,
are they bringing over English examiners


The short article doesn't give those details yet Smitty, but I think there will be info on Chris Gregory's web site soon if not already. I would bet for the test to be truely a WCF test they will have to bring English examiners since nobody here is qualified as a tester in thier system. I think Chris is only the faciltator and facility provider, all else will be handled by the English as far as the testing.
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:19 #4

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The short article doesn't give those details yet Smitty, but I think there will be info on Chris Gregory's web site soon if not already. I would bet for the test to be truely a WCF test they will have to bring English examiners since nobody here is qualified as a tester in thier system. I think Chris is only the faciltator and facility provider, all else will be handled by the English as far as the testing.

sounds good
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:19 #5

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BS-Horseshoeing wrote:
The short article doesn't give those details yet Smitty, but I think there will be info on Chris Gregory's web site soon if not already. I would bet for the test to be truely a WCF test they will have to bring English examiners since nobody here is qualified as a tester in thier system. I think Chris is only the faciltator and facility provider, all else will be handled by the English as far as the testing.
First I'm hearing of it but it sounds really cool!!!!!!:cool:
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The short article doesn't give those details yet Smitty, but I think there will be info on Chris Gregory's web site soon if not already. I would bet for the test to be truely a WCF test they will have to bring English examiners since nobody here is qualified as a tester in thier system. I think Chris is only the faciltator and facility provider, all else will be handled by the English as far as the testing.

sounds good
they better start lighting those forges then
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:25 #7

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The article says that David Goodall talked to Chris and mentioned wanting to have a test outside of England. Chris volunteered his place and they agreed. Chris is going to do a class in Sept. or Oct. to help anyone wanting to take the test. One requirement is that you have to be an AFA CJF for at least two years and the cost will be about $1000.00.
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:27 #8

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George Geist wrote:
First I'm hearing of it but it sounds really cool!!!!!!:cool:
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Yeah George, but you have to be an AFA CJF. I don't think the union cert. is valid. Sorry man.:D
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 17:39 #9

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Yeah George, but you have to be an AFA CJF. I don't think the union cert. is valid. Sorry man.:D
Then what's the point of doing it? My understanding was that AFA CJFs didn't require testing because they were granted the wcb credential by the reciprocity deal they have with that group.

Has something changed or is this just a test for fun?

Don't tell me let me guess, is an AFA approved deal only open to potential office holders?!!!!!LMYAO:)
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 18:13 #10

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George,

You are such a cynic. It's no wonder I like you.:)
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George Geist wrote:
Then what's the point of doing it? My understanding was that AFA CJFs didn't require testing because they were granted the wcb credential by the reciprocity deal they have with that group.

Has something changed or is this just a test for fun?

Don't tell me let me guess, is an AFA approved deal only open to potential office holders?!!!!!LMYAO:)
George

No George you have to be 15 or under to take the test
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 18:19 #12

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BS-Horseshoeing wrote:
You can see the short article on the AFJ web site about time and cost.
Ben,
I couldn't find it. Can you link it for me/us?

Thanks.
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 19:41 #13

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Ben,
I couldn't find it. Can you link it for me/us?

Thanks.

http://www.lesspub.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?332&ceNews_newsID=6668
here ya go Rick, Yur experienced eyes must be getting tired.
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Thanks Jason.

Indeed they are. :o

Of course, it might be because when I read "AFJ' my brain saw 'AFA' :eek: which would explain why I couldn't find the article. :o :)
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RE:WCF test at Gregory's 15 Mar 2009 21:26 #15

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George Geist wrote:
Then what's the point of doing it? My understanding was that AFA CJFs didn't require testing because they were granted the wcb credential by the reciprocity deal they have with that group.

Has something changed or is this just a test for fun?

Don't tell me let me guess, is an AFA approved deal only open to potential office holders?!!!!!LMYAO:)
George

I don't know George, is it that you have to have the CJF to take the test even over there, not that they are granted the WCF (not wcb) credential. So the CJF is more observed as the training equivalant of there apprentice progarm up to that point and not equivalant to their test.

I guess we need someone from England to answer these questions.
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