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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 02:37 #31

Rick Talbert
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George Geist wrote:

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George

George, I am trying to wrap my mind around what the heck the subject is specificly, at first their was a comment about grandfathering in, then on to race track stuff, complaining about owners shoeing, then saying talking about shoeing work off the track, then something about what someone said in a supply shop. I just figured it was an opportunity to clarify something about my view of licensing. But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes. I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:)

Rick Talbert

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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 02:47 #32

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Rick Talbert wrote:

George, I am trying to wrap my mind around what the heck the subject is specificly, at first their was a comment about grandfathering in,

Right. The OP started this thread about 4 years ago wondering if she'd be grandfathered in if state licensing became law. Answer to that would have been yes. Since state licensing will probably never become reality this 4 year old question is pretty moot.

then on to race track stuff, complaining about owners shoeing,

Racehorse owners don't shoe. Most if they grace a barn with their presence need to ask which horse is theirs. They don't know which end eats and which end poops and are most certainly not the type of people to dirty their hands at anything.

then saying talking about shoeing work off the track, then something about what someone said in a supply shop.

Yeah it got pretty out of control there for a while didn't it:)

I just figured it was an opportunity to clarify something about my view of licensing.

That's cool, no problem there.

But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes.

And to think she's not even a blonde:eek:

I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:)

Sounds like the best idea yet, wish I had some here:)
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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 03:34 #33

bababoey38 OFFLINE Member Posts: 34 Karma: 0	Sit down with some guys that have been shoeing 40 + years,They laugh at this stuff.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 03:44 #34

George Geist OFFLINE Master Posts: 3336 Thank you received: 3 Karma: 3	bababoey38 wrote: Sit down with some guys that have been shoeing 40 + years,They laugh at this stuff. They the only ones? I'd wager guys that have been around 5 years and less often have senses of humor too;) George
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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 05:03 #35

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Rick Talbert wrote:

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But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes. I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:)

Rick,
I'm left handed:eek:, does that mean I have to smoke right handed when need things to make sense?

I'm still down w/ the ice cream.

Clint

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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 12:10 #36

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:

calshoer in gray

I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.

The JHU has been essentially dead since they lost the Midwest.

Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills,

My experience is contrary to yours. In my experience, one can find the best and the worst at the track. You probably wouldn't understand due to your limited experience and the fact you've never been licensed as a plater, but it takes a unique skill set to move a horse up in class - and some platers do it with regularity. On the other hand, a plater with limited skills can drop a horse in class before Bob gets the news - but they can't make a living plating and they seldom stay around until the water gets hot; in fact, some of that particular class of deadweights on the periphery of racing don't even bother to become licensed as platers.

and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

Everyone from mutuel clerks to owners to hot walkers undergos a background check and are LICENSED in every perimutuel jurisdiction: Why should platers be any different?

That's what I am talking about!!!!!

I have moved many a horse up in class in both race and show world.

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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 12:17 #37

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George Geist wrote:

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George

some of us have earned our place in the racing trade. some of us feel that ones coming in should be tested; just like we were and go thur the same apprenticeship as we did; before being handed out licence to shoe at the track.

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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 12:19 #38

ladyblacksmith OFFLINE Master Posts: 1436 Karma: 0	ladyblacksmith wrote: The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years. He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years. PS just furious, just furious over that incident lately. I'll tell you about it later!!
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RE:Grandfathered in? 21 May 2009 13:31 #39

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ladyblacksmith wrote:

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

Many men just don't get it. They think it's a joke; but jokes can turn badly.

Like one of the guys said to me....you never know what a guy is thinking at the end of shoeing job; while a woman is shoeing.
There are a lot of shady characters out there in the shedrow.

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RE:Grandfathered in? 23 May 2009 02:30 #40

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I don't like to see any horse crippled, or any shoer cripple a horse; but it happens in this business. I shoe enough cripples as it is.

You clearly told someone recently on another thread concerning a lame horse that you refuse to shoe cripples. So which is it? Do you shoe them or not?

I shoe a cripple to the best of my ablities;

Which (unless you begin to show us some of your therapeutic work) , I must asssume are somewhat limited when it comes to thwrapeutic work, given some of your past observations and statements in these forums.

and hope that I have been able to help the horse and owners in any way.

You should not have to "hope" you can help them. You should posess enough understanding of the wide variety of available lameness treatments and be able to assess your own skills to know before hand if your work will be sufficient to help them.

If I cannot; then I will see if someone else can think of something different in shoeing.

Unless you just tell them to put the horse down because the act of shoeing cripples may bring on criticism( your own statement ) .....

I am not a know it all; nor will I ever know it all. But I will my dxxest to be the best that I can be.

Your knowledge seems to be limited to your little track world and what one anonymous mentor and other platers tell you, my dear.

Patty Stiller CNBF,CLS
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RE:Grandfathered in? 23 May 2009 02:33 #41

calshoer OFFLINE Guru Posts: 7253 Karma: 0	Many men just don't get it. They think it's a joke; but jokes can turn badly. Like one of the guys said to me....you never know what a guy is thinking at the end of shoeing job; while a woman is shoeing. There are a lot of shady characters out there in the shedrow. You have to comment on your own comments? Ps you sure seem to bring a lot of personal baggage into your work.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 23 May 2009 03:35 #42

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RE:Grandfathered in? 23 May 2009 11:08 #43

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ladyblacksmith wrote:

some of us have earned our place in the racing trade. some of us feel that ones coming in should be tested; just like we were and go thur the same apprenticeship as we did; before being handed out licence to shoe at the track.

We only stay at the top of our game for a short time. Just because you feel you earned something in this trade means little.

I get the impression that you don't do all that much work. Also you claim you've been treated unfairly along your shoeing career. If these things are correct, when do you feel you earned anything? Surely it's not because you served an apprenticeship and took a test?

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RE:Grandfathered in? 23 May 2009 17:59 #44

Gary_Miller OFFLINE Master Posts: 2565 Thank you received: 1 Karma: 0	In order to be licensed to shoe on the track in Idaho all you need is a $50 bill, a $15 background check, and a letter of recommendation from a owner or trainer if its your first time applying. Just another why for a government body to collect more money.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 25 May 2009 23:49 #45

George Geist OFFLINE Master Posts: 3336 Thank you received: 3 Karma: 3	Gary_Miller wrote: In order to be licensed to shoe on the track in Idaho all you need is a $50 bill, a $15 background check, and a letter of recommendation from a owner or trainer if its your first time applying. Just another why for a government body to collect more money. Do they race in western saddles there? George
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