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Grandfathered in? 13 Sep 2005 23:47 #1

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So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy
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RE:Grandfathered in? 14 Sep 2005 00:31 #2

Amy where have you been. The licensing and registration is a dead issue for right now. So there is no need for grandfathering in anyone. Go practice the trade you love and enjoy with no worries.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 14 Sep 2005 00:34 #3

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NHFarrier wrote:
So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy
Amy, the articles in the AFJ are outdated and behind the curve, contain inaccuracies and wrong information. The issue of licensing and registration, as proposed to the AFA Board of Directors is a dead issue.

Speculatively speaking, if the proposals had passed and then had been implemented by the States, no, you would not have had to pass any certification requirements. Which IMNTBCHO, was a major drawback to the proposal.

Amidst all the finger pointing and name calling (and I am guilty of this too), there is up to date information right here on the forums in the "Political Arena" forum under the heading of "AFA Open Forum and BOD Meeting"
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RE:Grandfathered in? 19 May 2009 18:00 #4

NHFarrier wrote:
So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy

If we grandfather everyone in
if this licensing would ever go thur.....then we have acheived nothing on getting quaility work to prevail.:(

We're right back to were we started from.:confused:
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RE:Grandfathered in? 19 May 2009 18:04 #5

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Linda,

This thread is almost four years old. Why are you resurrecting it now?
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 12:46 #6

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Linda,

This thread is almost four years old. Why are you resurrecting it now?

Because there are even more breakdowns since the new XLT rules went into effect. This time instead of bones (sesamoids/conjular fractures, ect.); most are soft-tissue related injuries (bowed/buck-shins/carpel??,ect), from what I am hearing......PS I could be wrong????
Now that at some tracks; outer-rims are banned in the middle of racing season has some platers up and arms.

Rumblings behind the scenes on all the trainers/owners now are coming in an doing their own horses. It's getting bad at the backside as one said to me the other day.
He walked in and all the horses where glued ? ? Owner trying to save money.

As it stands now----any owner can shoe his own horses "without" a plater's test or licence on the backside. A few are now walking in and taking on the task.
so hear we go again.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:01 #7

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You want to stop people from shoeing their own horses?
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:31 #8

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I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.
Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills, and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:33 #9

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You want to stop people from shoeing their own horses?

Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:45 #10

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.); most are soft-tissue related injuries (bowed/buck-shins/carpel??,
Most injuries at the track have always been soft tissue anyway.
Do you have statistics that actually correlate any changes in number or types breakdowns to shoeing rules, and NOT to other factors such as changes in track surfaces?
As well you seem to not know the difference between bone and soft tissue...buck shins are BONE,(the bone periosteum to be more specific) and so is "Carpal" (knee) ....
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:46 #11

calshoer wrote:
I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.
Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills, and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

I'm not limited, I can forge, make hand-mades ect; I do all kinds of different breeds and shoeing, besides plating. I am more of the exception, not the rule among my plater brothers. In fact, just last week a plater gave my number to one of his old client, who events, and said me to reshoe the horse, since I do more than just plate racehorses.

Patty, "Sadly, but true", others are very limited, and is the need for Union to come back swing, and testing of all and any shoer going to shoe these racehorses and forging skills need to updated on the track, as well as in the rest of the shoeing world.
If racetrack owners want to shoe their own horses; then they must be tested just like the others, no exceptions. You can not apply the rules to some and not to others.

and Patty; adhering to racing rules means ...having a licience to plate racehorses on the backside.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 13:48 #12

calshoer wrote:
Most injuries at the track have always been soft tissue anyway.
Do you have statistics that actually correlate any changes in number or types breakdowns to shoeing rules, and NOT to other factors such as changes in track surfaces?
As well you seem to not know the difference between bone and soft tissue...buck shins are BONE,(the bone periosteum to be more specific) and so is "Carpal" (knee) ....
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I was only repeating another platers words "VERBATUM" without changing anything words he was speaking at the time.
and it what we call patch speak.

I know the diff:eek:

PS some have never been in a forge ever......petty scary, isn't it????
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 14:29 #13

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ladyblacksmith wrote:
Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!


If the government wants to decide who will shoe my horse, they can feed and house the horse too...or maybe I'll just have a BBQ and invite all my friends. Shoeing won't be an issue then.

I think you should do some reading. The government is taking over the auto industry, banking and getting ready to mess with energy production. We are quickly becoming slaves of the state.

Yours in bondage,
comrad Mike.
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 14:31 #14

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I'm not limited, I can forge, make hand-mades ect; I do all kinds of different breeds and shoeing, besides plating. I am more of the exception, not the rule among my plater brothers. In fact, just last week a plater gave my number to one of his old client, who events, and said me to reshoe the horse, since I do more than just plate racehorses.

Patty, "Sadly, but true", others are very limited,
Which was my point .
and is the need for Union to come back swing,
WRONG, because unions (of any kind ) IMO(tend to protect the members despite those members shortfalls. Pay your dues, your in, and then no one can challenge you. It removes the free market and fair competition for the best skills .
and testing of all and any shoer going to shoe these racehorses
The California test was a joke. The track plater inspector wanted me to take it and "get legal" (I told you they knew about my and my ex's plating there,and I shod his personal horses at his home) ) and he gave me all the information and study guides.The information I needed involved about a hundredth of the knowledge that a good farrier should posess,and some of it was mechanically wrong for the horse.
and forging skills need to updated on the track, as well as in the rest of the shoeing world.
Oh common, how many TB platers ever actually need to get into the forge? If they can make a simple bar shoe or pull clips that's all they need in that environment.
If racetrack owners want to shoe their own horses; then they must be tested just like the others, no exceptions. You can not apply the rules to some and not to others.
Like i said the test is a joke anyway. It only tests knowledge of what plates are which win the parts that involve the mechanics of the foot and leg, it's is wrong in many areas and the track shoeing guidelines often perpetuates detrimental shoeing.
and Patty; adhering to racing rules means ...having a licence to plate racehorses on the backside.
Licencing farriers on the track IMO is primarily to insure no cheating (setting up someones horse with bad shoeing deliberately to fix a race for example) , to control financial responsibility, and drug use. Horse owners and trainers should not have to be limited in whatever way they want to shoe their own horses, as long as the shoeing adheres to the incorrect and and harmful shoeing rules imposed upon them. :rolleyes:
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RE:Grandfathered in? 20 May 2009 14:49 #15

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Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!

Linda,do you shoe more crippled horses than sound horses? Your business could get bigger if all you did was shoe cripples? Do you like to shoe cripples or not?
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