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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 16:16 #31

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Phil Armitage wrote:
...I have no problem respecting your wishes to not discuss religion your forum and I will.

Thanks.
The theological discussion that have taken place were done respectfully, with no personal attacks, threatening remarks, harassment or abusive vulgar language.

I'm not going to start citing particular posts here, because that in itself would start a theoligical discussion. Phil, from YOUR perspective you may not have read anything that YOU consider threatening or abusive, but not everyone has YOUR perspective. Theology tends to quickly bring to the surface peoples personal world view. And your world view isn't everyones world view. (And believe me, I'm no mamby-pamby when it comes to this "we're all equal BS" that is spouted by the air heads. If it was up to me we'd have already used nukes in some places to rid ourselves of vermin.)

49% of our visitors come from outside the US. From over 100 countries. Representing dozens of theologies and belief systems. It's not for me to judge anyones personal beliefs. But it is my job to be sure that in THIS venue, a venue focused on farriery and hoofcare, that no one, regardless of their theological beliefs, should be or could be offended by another participants beliefs. You want to discuss theology, there are hundreds of thousands of web sites that allow, actually encourage, that. Use them.

'Nuff said.

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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 16:57 #32

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49% of our visitors come from outside the US. From over 100 countries.

this to me is the key point often overlooked - we tend to act as if we're at a small party with the regular bunch and forget about the crowd around us.
Jack Evers CJF AFA#426

The best things about the good old days -- I wasn't good and I wasn't old.

The older I get, the more horses I shoe, the fewer things that I can absolutely, positively fix.
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 17:19 #33

Jack Evers wrote:
this to me is the key point often overlooked - we tend to act as if we're at a small party with the regular bunch and forget about the crowd around us.


I have been here long enough to know the crowd around us. This is one of the reasons I like this forum so much. It is an education to see so many different view points and different ways to do things from around the world. Pretty much my whole childhood was in France, Holland and Germany. :)
Phil Armitage, CF
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"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 17:21 #34

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I am a christian farrier ....man oh man since I gave my father the leadership in my firm ,it has been growing and growing ,I have great clients and horses and wait for it also no one owes me money for any horse I have done since becoming a christian.........manegment is always done better by those who sits in a higher level and has the eagel eye on life!!!

this is a great way of looking after horses hoofs ....:):):)

Be blessed .....

ray knightley ,farrier


and i wrote this without writing JESUS ,which now i know why gets taken out ......

so let us get on with hoof heath care .and let The lord work as always without many words!!!!!
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 17:29 #35

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It's not for me to judge anyones personal beliefs. But it is my job to be sure that in THIS venue, a venue focused on farriery and hoofcare, that no one, regardless of their theological beliefs, should be or could be offended by another participants beliefs. You want to discuss theology, there are hundreds of thousands of web sites that allow, actually encourage, that. Use them.

'Nuff said.

Baron

It is not for anyone to judge anyone's belief. Taking offense to anyone's belief is childish no matter where your from. All farriers are welcome here in my opinion and I would not be offended if they mentioned their belief to me. I don't know how often you have communicated with people around the world and from different religions, but I have and find it very easy to communicate with anyone as long as it is respectful. :)

Wars are started from disrespect, hatred and miscommunication. JMHO
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 17:33 #36

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Sorry, Baron, my mistake i saw in the political arena stuff not really in the hoof care business, i thought this one was a free session, again, my mistake.
I agree with Calshoer, maybe you should change the title of it.

Gary please dont' start, if you have something to say to me, please send me a msg in private, thank you.
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 17:43 #37

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Thank you Phil.

BTW.TexX ;)
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 23:56 #38

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I can study further, but I don't think that not being allowd to discuss religious beliefs here (though I'm ready to rock) counts as suffering for Christ, and will not garner points towards marterdom.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:May a higher power help us. 12 Nov 2008 23:59 #39

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Wars are started from disrespect, hatred and miscommunication. JMHO

I'm thinking maybe it's more about real estate and/or resorses.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:May a higher power help us. 13 Nov 2008 00:27 #40

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I agree there should be a forum for christian farriers to talk freely without being censored or scolded for mentioning God, when God is clearly relevent to the discussion. I could understand people taking offense if someone was being disrespectful, rude, or offensive. I cannot understand this censorship based merely on the mention of God. Having a political forum and banning the subject of God is like explaining to someone how to shoe a horse and not being able to say the word hammer. whoever that was that was going to start a christian forum for farriers, I say go for it! We are not real interested in subjects pertaining to John Lyons, so that suggestion makes little sense. But if someone did create a site for farriers and owners that was welcoming to christians, I'm sure it would be blessed beyond measure. The political forum here should be changed to farrier association politics, and the rules of this site should be ammended to reflect the apparent views of the powers that be. There should be a warning expressed so that we all know that this is a secular site that will not tolerate the mention of God. That would clear things up. Lets not hide behind the word "theology" we are not studying different religions. No one is refering to buddha or the koran, this censorship is obviously targeted at christians. So just say "The mention of God is banned from this site". That is a clear rule.
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RE:May a higher power help us. 13 Nov 2008 00:54 #41

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Rick Talbert wrote:
I agree there should be a forum for christian farriers to talk freely without being censored or scolded for mentioning God, when God is clearly relevent to the discussion.

John Lyons runs a Christian oriented site. And I've yet to see a single discussion of farriery or hoofcare that would have been helped in any way by bringing theological beliefs into the discussion.
I could understand people taking offense if someone was being disrespectful, rude, or offensive.

Read my post to Phil. Perhaps in YOUR world view certain statements or expressions of belief aren't offensive, but they may be to others. The easiest remedy is not to post them in the first place.
I cannot understand this censorship based merely on the mention of God.

I have not banned the use of the word God on the forums. In certain limited circumstances the use of the word God would be appropriate. But once you start talking about your beliefs in regard to God, that isn't allowed.[/quote]
Having a political forum and banning the subject of God is like explaining to someone how to shoe a horse and not being able to say the word hammer.

I never realized that to discuss politics you MUST discuss God. That's a relevation. It's also not true. Your analogy is absurd.
Whoever that was that was going to start a christian forum for farriers, I say go for it! We are not real interested in subjects pertaining to John Lyons, so that suggestion makes little sense. But if someone did create a site for farriers and owners that was welcoming to christians, I'm sure it would be blessed beyond measure.

I have to admit that I'd be very interested to read some of the threads on such a forum, to observe how the discussion of theology advances the discussion of farriery and hoofcare.
The political forum here should be changed to farrier association politics, and the rules of this site should be ammended to reflect the apparent views of the powers that be.

If you'd checked, you'd see the title of that forum has already been changed to restrict it to politics in the realms of farriery and hoofcare. And since every forum on the site now directly deals with farriery and hoocare (as the Political forum has now been restricted to that subject), there should be no need to have to tell people not to have theological discussions on the forums, because no one has yet demonstrated any "intersection" between spiritual belief systems and correctly shoeing horses.
There should be a warning expressed so that we all know that this is a secular site that will not tolerate the mention of God. That would clear things up.

See above.
Lets not hide behind the word "theology" we are not studying different religions. No one is refering to buddha or the koran, this censorship is obviously targeted at christians. So just say "The mention of God is banned from this site". That is a clear rule.

Interesting again. You infer that only Christianity has a connection to God. It is insensitve remarks like that, which of course to you seem perfectly natural, that must be avoided. And don't you ever have the nerve to tell me what I'm refering to. I've made myself perfectly clear that NO theological discussions are to take place. Not by anyone espousing any religion. You don't like it, leave.

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