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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 15:42 #46

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Every one has been beating me up about my comments on racism and religious bigotry and demanding an example. Well by golly here is a perfect example. It is to bad that some people who claim to love America can’t love all Americans.

Ron,
To point out that he was born a muslim, with a muslim name, raised as a muslim when he was a boy, while we are at war with muslims, shows religious bigotry? Those facts should be taken into account by any one. Then take into account his seeking out the anti Ammerican crowd in school, Bill Ayres etc., and the discution about loving America takes a different light.
A person can change. He has already started to lower expetations. I hope he's the best presadent we have ever had.
On the subject of middle names, as an ultra right wing uber conservitive, I have to live with the handle of Carter in between my first and last.

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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 16:13 #47

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Just passin through~ wrote:
Lol,i went to school with a kid that was a great quarterback"Francis Pak" We called him Franny , he didn't like it but the name stuck.Would it bother you
if i refured to you a Franny? Ya know Ray,anyname could go with STEELE?
You should be proud...................And being in the business helps?

you are speaking of people's names?

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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 21:18 #48

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Obama is essentially a socialist. "spreading the wealth around" and "redistributing wealth" are socialistic principles. Higher taxes will cause many businesses to go out of business and will kill a struggling economy. Health care mandated by the federal government will be an enforcement nightmare and will be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement into reality. Why would anyone think that the government owes them healthcare? This is not the role of the government. Why would anyone think that the government owes them a handout? Again, not the role of the government. Get a JOB. I want to keep more of the money I earn, I don't want it going to provide a worry free life of ease for those in our society who have had the same opportunities as I have had, and have chosen to sit around and smoke dope all day or hang out at the liqour store 24/7. Give me a break, I say let them starve. Obama attended church for twenty years under a vehemently racist, american hating "pastor". If this was a white guy with a history of attending kkk meetings for twenty years do you think it would be treated the same? Obama has an unrepentent terrorist as a close friend "Bill Ayers". How can we as a country forget 9/11 so quickly and elect a man who can befriend a terrorist? Obama has zero executive experience. His brief record as a senator in the 110 days or whatever that he showed up to work shows that he voted "present" a majority of the time. When he did vote his votes were consistently for higher taxes. He voted against providing life support to babies who survive abortions. His record has shown him to be THE most liberal senator. Don't forget that Obama said the surge would not work, if we had done what Obama wanted to do, we would have cut, run, and surrendered, instead we had the surge and now we are succeeding well beyond anyone's expectations. One exit poll I saw said that 68 % of "african americans" said that race was an important part of their decision, compared to only 13% of white voters. Race was definitely an important factor in getting Obama elected. Obama hasn't enough experience to run the drive thru at Mcdonalds, much less our country. God help us.
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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 23:11 #49

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Oh Rick,.....everything seems to be black or white with you. At least with your post. You are definitely right about not wanting to help pay for the care free lifestyle of "the dope smoker", or those that hang around the liquor store 24/7. But lets say, a man's family member has,.. lets say MS. Lets say the insurance from the husband's place of work paid for the MS medication except for $75 dollars for a 3 month supply paid by the family. Sounds good right. THan lets say the husband loses his job due to layoff or as in this case leaves to start his own business and decides to pay their own insurance. Alright, now after being turned down for a preexisting condition clause by many healthcare companies they finally are accepted by COSE and the insurance cost is $700 month. But wait,......the MS medication goes from $75 dollars for a 3 month supply to WAIT FOR IT.................$2500 a month. HOW IN THE HELL IS ANYONE OF MODEST MEANS GOING TO AFFORD $2500 A MONTH TO KEEP THEIR FAMINLY MEMBER ALIVE! THEY ARE NOT LAZY, DOPE SMOKING, ALCOHOLICS,....THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS AND GET SCREWED BY THE PRIVATE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. This is not a fabrication! This is what is happening in my family. Now if you have someone who is single and has a disease that prevents them from holding a job, and there are many. THey must either be supplemented or left to wither away and sometimes die off. This causes other costs to society. No offense but you are ignorant and in many cases either ill informed or just too BLACK AND WHITE, to see. Either way until it happens to you or someone close to you,...you probably won't change. And are't we supplementing with our tax dollars those in Iraq that especially now can stand up and work and fight and support their own way of life. We have gotten rid of Saddam. How long do we PAY FOR THAT! AND what is the difference, between helping those here who are sincerely needy and those in Iraq. You cannot have it both ways. As for AYERS and voteing records, etc. get your facts right. Time will tell how good of a President Obama will be,....as for you,....I will take a Big Mac and Some Fries,....hold the drink!
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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 23:50 #50

You can say what you want to but its pretty clear that if Osama was white he would not have won just like if Mccain was black he would have won. Hell Fred Sanford could have won with 95% of the black vote. Why do you think the biggest thing everyone is talking about is how great it is to have a black prez and not how great it is to have a prez that will turn this country around? Its because they werent voting for a prez that could turn it around they were voting for the one that was black. There is a reason why all those that havent voted in the last 10 elections (or ever) came out to vote for him its simply because he is black. I bet there has never been a prez get 95% of the black vote till now and its easy to see why he got it. With all his radical ideas of socializim and anti american friends/mentors do you really think he would have won if he was a white man? Get real. Like it was said above if a white man ran for prez and it was found out he spent 20 years in the KKK or anything similar theres no way he could win they would riot over it. One hate group is as bad as any other.
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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 23:55 #51

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Bigger government and more programs are not the answer. This is why government close to the people (ie state, town, city, what have you) is better suited to our needs. (This is actually what the Republican party used to be about - very loosely: government regarding the people left to the city or state, and government regarding national security and dealing with other countries left to those in DC) Why make nationwide programs that will eventually become abused - welfare as an example - that cost us frivolous amounts of tax dollars. Communities should be there for their own people. Individual cases of need could be determined by those closest to them, the system would not be as abused and we don't have to support Joe-shmoe on the other side of the country, who is too lazy to get his sorry-bu-tt a job. Specifically regarding the insurance issue, doctors/hospitals and insurance companies themselves need to be regulated and kept from "porking" the people - come on $500 for an ibuprofen? If costs were reasonable, insurance would be more affordable, and more people would have it. I don't need government mandating insurance, if I could afford it, I'd have it.

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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 00:35 #52

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Last time I checked, Black Americans are people too and shared the right to vote. This is their government and what affects one affects us all. If only the black vote went for Obama he would not be the President now. Many more voted for Obama than black americans. People much smarter than you or I. The majority, I believe, win the election. Well at least most of the time!
And yes the Republican party was quite different before. But now is much more intrusive on our lives as you think the Democrats may be. I still say I am not better now by a long shot than I was before the Bush years. If you are, than good for you and you should be unhappy because hopefully things will get better for the country as a whole.
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 00:55 #53

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You can say what you want to but its pretty clear that if Osama was white he would not have won just like if Mccain was black he would have won. Hell Fred Sanford could have won with 95% of the black vote. Why do you think the biggest thing everyone is talking about is how great it is to have a black prez and not how great it is to have a prez that will turn this country around? Its because they werent voting for a prez that could turn it around they were voting for the one that was black. There is a reason why all those that havent voted in the last 10 elections (or ever) came out to vote for him its simply because he is black. I bet there has never been a prez get 95% of the black vote till now and its easy to see why he got it. With all his radical ideas of socializim and anti american friends/mentors do you really think he would have won if he was a white man? Get real. Like it was said above if a white man ran for prez and it was found out he spent 20 years in the KKK or anything similar theres no way he could win they would riot over it. One hate group is as bad as any other.

That is why 95% of whites voted in the past, because they were all white.
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 01:06 #54

I might like Obama his appointment of Rahm Emanuel for Chief of Staff is very interesting. How about a majority of the black votes in California voting no to gay marriage. These two things must be a huge blow to the liberals in this country, did they really understand who this guy is? President Elect Obama might be alright. :)
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 01:07 #55

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Phil Armitage wrote:
That is why 95% of whites voted in the past, because they were all white.

No, I don't think that any candidate has ever gotten 95% of the white vote. McCain, for eample did the best amoung married whites but he didn't get anywhere near 90% of the vote. Yet...Obama gets 90% of the black vote. Who's voting on race?

There is a good side to all of this though. Of the many black folks who voted (many of whom supposedly don't usually vote?) 90% voted for Obama but, as I hear it, 70% or so voted in support of proposition 8 in California. It was a close vote and I don't think it would have passed if not for the Obama supporters.
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 01:12 #56

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cwlindauer wrote:
And yes the Republican party was quite different before. But now is much more intrusive on our lives as you think the Democrats may be. I still say I am not better now by a long shot than I was before the Bush years. If you are, than good for you and you should be unhappy because hopefully things will get better for the country as a whole.

How has the President really effected your daily life and wellbeing?
Neither Clinton or Bush ever sent me a new client, but other than that I can't think of anything direct.

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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 01:18 #57

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handmade pride in gray

You can say what you want to but its pretty clear that if Osama was white he would not have won just like if Mccain was black he would have won.
Hell Fred Sanford could have won with 95% of the black vote.


Balderdash! Black folks comprise about 14% of the population and can't elect anybody on the basis of bloc voting. Obama also carried a plurality of young, old, Hispanic, gay, straight, women, and damn near every other demographic division of the electorate. Why blame blacks? With equal accuracy, you can blame damn near any ethnic/demographic group you can think of because they ALL voted for Obama!

Why do you think the biggest thing everyone is talking about is how great it is to have a black prez and not how great it is to have a prez that will turn this country around? Its because they werent voting for a prez that could turn it around they were voting for the one that was black.

As somebody who did not vote for Obama, I think he won because he ran a helluva lot better campaign than did McCain. Obama appealed to folks who've tired of Bush's lies and, as badly as he tried to distance himself, McCain was perceived as joined at the hip to the corrupt Bush administration. Obama's promise to get us the hell out of Iraq brought lots of folks, as did his promise of some form of national health care - color didn't have squat to do with the election. Time will tell if he makes good on his promises, but if he does, I'll damn sure vote for him in the next election - and so will lots of other folks.

There is a reason why all those that havent voted in the last 10 elections (or ever) came out to vote for him its simply because he is black. I bet there has never been a prez get 95% of the black vote till now and its easy to see why he got it.

Obama could've gotten 100% of the black vote and it wouldn't have swung the election in his favor if a plurality of white folks hadn't voted for him. Why the racist BS? Your guy lost, my guy lost, but it ain't the end of the world - Bush's administration probably doomed the Republican Party from the git-go, as did the Republican failure to nominate anybody who appealed to somebody besides the usual suspects. Ron Paul was my man, but he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of attracting any serious money.

With all his radical ideas of socializim and anti american friends/mentors do you really think he would have won if he was a white man? Get real. Like it was said above if a white man ran for prez and it was found out he spent 20 years in the KKK or anything similar theres no way he could win they would riot over it. One hate group is as bad as any other.

One hates to raise the specter of reality in the midst of a good fantasy rant, but Obama would've won if he'd been an polka-dotted transvestite because he represented CHANGE and folks have evidently had a bellyfull of Dubya's transparent nonsense. :)
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 01:40 #58

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Gota go with Tom on this one Matt.
The additional "Black Votes" that were cast for Obama above what are usally cast for Democrats from that block amount to less than a precentage point. The independant voters are who decide elections now and they voted for Obama.
Tom and Matt have both said that their guy lost as mine did too, but here in California, the sun came up on time the next morning.

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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 02:00 #59

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Rick Talbert wrote:
Don't forget that Obama said the surge would not work, if we had done what Obama wanted to do, we would have cut, run, and surrendered, instead we had the surge and now we are succeeding well beyond anyone's expectations.

Must disagree. The grown ups running the show knew it would work and it has succeded as they expected.

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:President Elect Obama 08 Nov 2008 02:28 #60

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CW- If you have to pay 2500 dollars for your medication, thats a bummer. But I don't want to pay for your medication. There is nothing in our constitution that says that I should be responsible for your misfortune. Take your beef up with the drug companies that are price gouging. Why do you think that drug costs so much? If my house burns down and the insurance company finds a loophole out of paying for it, I would not expect someone else to bail me out of my misfortune, I'd chalk it up as a loss and keep on trucking. If you choose to work for someone else, then you take a chance that the individual may wake up one morning and hand you your walking papers. One reason I choose to work for myself is that I am in control of my own destiny. Everyone has the same choice. If I wasn't a farrier then I'd drive an ice cream truck or build fence or something, but I would not put all my eggs in one basket. If someone gets laid off, then they should get another job. Bad things happen to good people. This is when family, friends, and your church pull together to help out. We all have sad stories to tell, and I've faced more than my share. But I've never expected the government to bail me out or felt as if I were entitled to someone else's hard earned money. If your facing bills you cannot pay, maybe you should take a second job. If someone in your family was laid off then they are capable of working. Mcdonalds is always hiring, so it sounds like you'll be the one getting my fries and not the other way around. And yes, everything is black and white, things are right or wrong, everything is simple. That doesn't mean life is easy.
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