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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 12:29 #31

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At the risk of sounding like a George Bush fan (because I'm not), do you recall that disaster that happened on 9/11/2001? :rolleyes: Less than a year after Bush took office and it hasnt happened since. So give credit where it's due. Your A SS has been safe thanks to the policies put in place by that administration and carried out by our military. No one ever thinks in those terms. Perhaps we all should.

Derin

I think in those terms everyday. Nothing wrong with being a Bush fan. Another thing many do not like to admit is Democrats have been the majority in Congress for the past two years. Also our problems in the middle east and Afghanistan and the problematic economy started pre-Bush years more like the Clinton era.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:04 #32

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Phil Armitage wrote:
I think in those terms everyday. Nothing wrong with being a Bush fan. Another thing many do not like to admit is Democrats have been the majority in Congress for the past two years. Also our problems in the middle east and Afghanistan and the problematic economy started pre-Bush years more like the Clinton era.

The mortgage "crisis" began building way back in the Carter years.

There was the Community Reinvenstement Act and a bunch of other initiatives through the years to get lending institutions to loan money to people who couldn't really afford to be barrowing. There were also lobby groups putting a lot of pressure on lending intitutions.

Once they made all those bad loans, being the smart guys that they were, they found a way to make money on them...package them and sell them.

Even though Bush and the Republicans have been blamed, it was republicans who tried to put the brakes on (though, if I remember right, even Clinton warned that it was going to be trouble) and democrats that blocked their efforts. One need only look to see who got the most campaign contributions from Fanny and freddy.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:23 #33

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Did I mention we all had to go through 8 years of a Bush administration, 4 years of which were a republican house and senate.
Not to put to fine a point on it, but it was six years.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:28 #34

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But what bothers me is His MIDDLE name is "Husain" Lets see if the name is just an omen?
Every one has been beating me up about my comments on racism and religious bigotry and demanding an example. Well by golly here is a perfect example. It is to bad that some people who claim to love America can’t love all Americans.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:41 #35

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Originally Posted by Derin Foor
At the risk of sounding like a George Bush fan (because I'm not), do you recall that disaster that happened on 9/11/2001? Less than a year after Bush took office and it hasnt happened since. So give credit where it's due. Your A SS has been safe thanks to the policies put in place by that administration and carried out by our military. No one ever thinks in those terms. Perhaps we all should.

Derin


Yes but look at what we've given up "because" of 9/11. Just because there hasn't been actual bloodshed doesn't mean there hasn't been casualties in the form of lost liberties....liberties that are NOT government issued. They are liberties that every person ought to hold dear yet "because" of 9/11 they have been all too willing to forfeit.
We now have unlimited wiretapping without cause AGAINST Americans.
Warrantless searches and siezures without charges being brought.
(one of my favorites) "No Protest Zones". We made fun of the Chinese during the Olympics for putting protestors in cages away from the public eye but that is going on in THIS country today.

We now have elected one of the top ten most corrupt politicians (according to Judicial Watch) as our commander-in-chief who is anti-gun, open borders, pro New World Order, and says we NEED higher taxes and anyone who doesn't feel that way is being selfish.

Serfs were taxed at a max of 30%.
They want us to be slaves.
Obama isn't going to run anything. Get that through your heads. He is traitorously going to lead this nation to the gallows by helping the elite to rob us of our sovereignty and put us under the control of world coporatism.
All one has to do is see where this financial takeover ...oops..."bailout" is taking us.
Mark my words, within 100 days there will be more "bailouts".
The dollar will be in cinders and we'll be forced to give up MORE liberties.

The kicker will be that most Americans will welcome it.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:43 #36

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Every one has been beating me up about my comments on racism and religious bigotry and demanding an example. Well by golly here is a perfect example. It is to bad that some people who claim to love America can’t love all Americans.

Out of all these many pages of discussion and debate, there is one example but otherwise I'd agree with you.

Comments from US voters as well as the poles would seem to suggest that race was a huge factor in this election. Two major factors in Obama's election was that people really hate Bush and that he is black. Racism worked in his favor. MacCain got the majority of married whites but Obama got virtually all the blacks, lots of hispanics, single women and young college folks.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:48 #37

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Trusting all Americans is just what we did when the pilots of 9/11 learned to fly planes right here in the USA! Profileing got a big hit from the left, so now they frisk little old ladies and let anyone that just might fit the profile walk? And again if you look at what people did during the hurricanes says it all. Instead of packing and getting to higher ground, they break into the WalMarts and steal tennis shoes and TV's. And when they did get on the buses to evacuate, all they had was their cell phones and cigerettes, no diapers or formula for their own kids. These type people now have their Savior! Problem is, us working class will still pay for the lazy!
"As I see it, winners get the money - while losers talk of "individual goals" and similar stuff." Tom Stovall
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:50 #38

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Scott Chaney wrote:
Yes but look at what we've given up "because" of 9/11. Just because there hasn't been actual bloodshed doesn't mean there hasn't been casualties in the form of lost liberties....liberties that are NOT government issued. They are liberties that every person ought to hold dear yet "because" of 9/11 they have been all too willing to forfeit.
We now have unlimited wiretapping without cause AGAINST Americans.
Warrantless searches and siezures without charges being brought.
(one of my favorites) "No Protest Zones". We made fun of the Chinese during the Olympics for putting protestors in cages away from the public eye but that is going on in THIS country today.

We now have elected one of the top ten most corrupt politicians (according to Judicial Watch) as our commander-in-chief who is anti-gun, open borders, pro New World Order, and says we NEED higher taxes and anyone who doesn't feel that way is being selfish.

Serfs were taxed at a max of 30%.
They want us to be slaves.
Obama isn't going to run anything. Get that through your heads. He is traitorously going to lead this nation to the gallows by helping the elite to rob us of our sovereignty and put us under the control of world coporatism.
All one has to do is see where this financial takeover ...oops..."bailout" is taking us.
Mark my words, within 100 days there will be more "bailouts".
The dollar will be in cinders and we'll be forced to give up MORE liberties.

The kicker will be that most Americans will welcome it.

As I said before, too many people don't know or don't remember how this country started and why. Gwen put up a great reminder in the other threadGwen wrote:
Thomas Jefferson clearly warned us: "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." and, ""A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of the laborer the bread he has earned. This is the sum of good government. …"

Our founding fathers saught liberty first and foremost...not safety or a guaranty of medical care and financial security. Liberty has risks but they wanted liberty.

Now, people want to be taken care of but what we're getting is taken to the cleaners.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 13:53 #39

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Well, after my day of mourning yesterday I have now renewed spirit and faith that we will go on and while we may face difficult times at the hand of our "leaders" the one we must always look to is our God who leads His entire creation. He is the final say and He is the one who really does - have everything under control!

So -- "Life may not always be the party we hoped for but while we are here we might as well dance." -author unknown

Dance I will (and yeah ... I can still dance with the best of 'em! *grin*) ... with focus on changing those things that I can and trying not to stress over the ones I can't change; With focus on being a part to the SOLUTION and not adding to the problems; With my foremost focus on living life as intended with my heavenly Leader, our God upon whom this country was founded over 200 years ago.

God Bless America.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 14:08 #40

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The checks and balances that our founders designed into the system work pretty well. We have had lots of presidents who were knuckleheads and we are still here and not doing too badly.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 19:52 #41

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Scott Chaney wrote:
The kicker will be that most Americans will welcome it.

Hence my use of the term "sheep-ple"


Anyone seen this video regarding the Freddie/Fannie crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exxVZTKq1vA
Unless you're the lead dog, the view never changes.
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 23:19 #42

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My guy (Ron Paul) couldn't get out of the primaries. My other guy didn't win the presidential election. The people have spoken, but at this point it kinda seems to me that our democracy consists of two coyotes voting on what to have for supper with a sheep. Majority rules!

I hope to hell we're all wrong about Obamba.
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:President Elect Obama 06 Nov 2008 23:46 #43

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Tom Stovall, CJF-
I hope to hell we're all wrong about Obamba.

It will depend upon what the president elect "LEARNS" from the briefings that he will recieve. Local, regional, national and the world. Put yourself in a "NEW ELECT'S" shoes that has 2 years tenure.(?)

Parady~~~ "I just graduated horseshoein' school; I took a 2 week course!":eek::eek::eek::eek:
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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 14:56 #44

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To quote Thomas Jefferson......"democracy is nothing more than mob rule....where 51% of the people take away the rights of the other 49%"....

Steve
Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal. - Henry Ford (1863-1947)
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RE:President Elect Obama 07 Nov 2008 15:12 #45

Jaye Perry wrote:
Put yourself in a "NEW ELECT'S" shoes that has 2 years tenure.(?)

Parady~~~ "I just graduated horseshoein' school; I took a 2 week course!":eek::eek::eek::eek:
In the Parady, He has
Chris Gregory, Stephen O'Grady, Chris Pollitt, Bob Marshall, Roy Bloom, Myron McLane, Grant Moon, J. Scott Simpson, Danny Ward, Hank McEwan, Lee Liles, and Doug Butler,

All standing around his anvil, pointing their fingers and helping out. Yea.
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