Clinton missed getting Osama in Afganistan due to his blunder. Sept 11, was his revenge.

Gary Hill wrote:
No, it's called testing the perimeter or defenses, Gary. They found a hole; a big one.
It's a typical military strategy~~~ probe until you find a weakness; attack!!!

Whether probing takes place in 2 hours or 30+ years:cool:

hotrod- I agree with you very much, everything you said is true and I feel the same way, except to say (as much as I hate it) Obama will be president, and because I live in the US he will be my president as well. Most of us who made sure we were informed as much as possible about the candidates are deeply disappointed in the decision that came down on Nov. 4. But, it is what it is, now we have to live with it. Everyone kept saying they had faith in the american people to not allow this to happen, but I kept thinking, a large portion of the american people are not too bright. I was right. I'm proud to say my state went for Mccain, so I feel I'm not completely in the twilight zone, where whats right is considered wrong and whats wrong is considered right. It is a sad time for our country, but we will survive. Even though he has no real experience and a checkered past full of unsavory and questionable relationships, he is a charismatic guy and would make a great president if he would just change his views on almost every subject. There is always a chance. GOD help us!

Gary Hill wrote:
I don't want to pick nits, but... It was the Sudanese government that was so scared of Osama that they offered to take him into custody and turn him over. They made this offer a few times, if memory serves me correctly, and the Clinton administration refused. Clinton was worried about the perception on the "Arab Street" of the US taking custody of an Arab national. Makes sense, doesn't it? Why would we want to take custody of a guy considered such a menace by his own compatriots that they're trying to get him out of their country?

Baron

calshoer wrote:



Patty, so you feel that killing unborn children as well as not providing medical attention to those childern that are born alive in spite of the fact their mothers tried to kill them is not wicked? Do you feel it is ok to let a new born child lay there and die after a failed attempt at mudering that child before it was born? You keep playing the color card like thats the only reason people dont like Obama. Get real patty. I dont care if he is black white purple or green its his morals I dont like. Any person that would put a child to death is wicked. I would lay down my life for any child if it came to it. Regaurdless of color. How can you call this not wicked patty? How can you as an adult in their right mind say its ok for someone to kill a child? Or to let a child die after it is born alive and well? Do you feel its perfectly alright to let a new born just lay there and die? You must feel that way since thats how Obama feels and you are all for him.

Baron , I was referring to the cruise missiles that missed his training camps, instead of saturateing the area they went with afew to hit smaller targets.

Cyber Farrier wrote:
Reprimand of Colloquial affiliation!!!!!!:cool:

I have been viewing a bit different take on this election. I would say that McCain and Obama are both intelligent men and have leadership qualities or they would not be where they presently are at this moment. However, I believe that there are far better qualified individuals in our government than either of them for the presidential position. They don't want it at this moment in history due to their greater intelligence and awareness that they can probably do a better job where they are than taking on the mess in the presidency. It is possible that due to the Republicans frequent distaste for McCain and the possibility of Obama being a potential 'problem' for the Democratic party, they managed to get these two to run in order to get them out of their way so they can proceed with the business at hand (whatever they may decide that is). Perhaps McCain will serve us far better in the Senate and keep the Democrats under control better than he could in the White House. I think he is smart enough to do that and certainly has the experience to accomplish it.

As for the discussion on the government taking over 401K's and the like, this would be devastating to the stock market because that is where these are invested. Many brokers would lose jobs as they manage these accounts (and often quite poorly), and now only the larger and more savvy investors would be in the market in a big way disrupting the flow of money to the myriad of paper companies that shift funds around and help the companies keep the market in control (and their taxes as well).

Just my take on a couple of topics. I am staying out of the religious discussion. Have my own personal viewpoint, like it, can't be swayed from it, so it really isn't worth the debate

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.

I didnt bring that up ,and I really don't feel the need to discuss my spiritual and personal views with you. I didn't bring up abortion, here, you did. And I do not have to discuss my very personal and somewhat complicated ideas about the issue with a simple minded religious zealot.
Other than to say that religion has no place in American Government .I did not bring the race card up . someone else did saying it was "blacks that elected him" when in fact the majority of the voters for him were white.
AND there were some black people who voted for Mccainm just in case you don't watch or listen tp unbiased real news and missed that fact.Whatever. That is you right as an American to openly like or dislike whatever you want.
Tha doesn't make others "Wicked" , except apparently in Your mind.

It is difficult to have a political conversation without reference to God. In other countries it would be easy, but our government was founded based on christianity. The declaration of independence, the constitution, and the constitution of every state in the union call on the name of the Almighty for divine guidance in governing the nation. This is history, not theology.
Did you know;
A taxpayer paid minister opens every session of congress with prayer, (since 1789)
Bible verses are etched in stone all over federal buildings and monuments throughout Washington DC
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
The Washington Monument- is topped by an aluminum cap on which are etched two words: Laus Deo (praise be to God).
Dec 4 1800- a few weeks after moving into the building, congress decided the Capitol would also serve as a church building, public service was held at both the Treasury office and the Capitol on Sundays.
52 of the 55 founders of the constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies. ----There are thousands of examples such as these----
Read the writings of Patriots such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Daniel Webster, John Witherspoon, Benjamin Franklin, etc. etc. I could list names all night, these men and women did not refrain from the subject of God when writing about or discussing politics, to have asked any of these men to do so would have been thought an absurd notion.
This is our country's history. These are facts. This country is tolerant of all faiths, but have always been "one nation under God". - "Indeed, it is an indisputable fact that all complex and horrendous questions confronting us at home and worldwide have their answer in the bible".- Ronald Reagan.

calshoer wrote:
Nice job dancing around the questions patty. If the fact that the man openly states that he doesnt mind people killing children is not wicked I dont know what is. If you feel its alright to put children to death you welcome to your opinion. You dont have to discuss anything with me you dont want to but you agree with the man so I already know where you stand. I cant see where you think that religion has no place in this government when its a known fact that this country was founded on religion. Its in our pledge its on our money and in our courts. And if I remember right the earlier post said it was the corrupt part of our society that voted him in not JUST the blacks. Just what do you classify as wicked if its not killing compleatly innocent children that never asked to be here in the first place? Maybe Obama will turn this economy around but to me its not worth all the innocent childrens deaths that will go along with it.

Since black people make up a whopping 11% of registered voters explain to me exactly how "they" managed to steal this election? Even if all of them voted for Obama they still couldn't carry a single State.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, made Obama the President-elect; even the screw ups in Ohio, Florida and Missouri (still haven't counted all the ballots) couldn't sway the election. If youn can't deal with it move somewhere else.

What's the matter Bubba couldn't find the voting booth?

Using the anti-abortion litmus test for politicians has only provided very un-Christ like leaders, we need to lay it to rest.

Deaf ears. My words fall on deaf ears....

Baron