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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 10:58 #31

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Big oil always makes 7-8% NET profit per gallon (taxes are about 80 cents).

The media and some politicians always state oil profits in dollars while trying to justify using government to attack business and seize profits.

What they don't tell you is what the profit margin is, as you point out, low.

Our profit is MUCH higher, I sure hope they don't hit us with a "windfall profit" tax.

The other thing they don't talk about is WHO owns the "big" evil oil company. Folks should check the stock content of their funds, 401k's ect. Aren't most of them publically held companies? Since when is Profit not good!
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 11:22 #32

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By the way, Osama's quotes from NPR were not taken out of context. He stated exactly what he thought and taught. Clasic marxisim, I know I used to be there, when I was a kid.

I think one of the problems here is that too many people lack knowledge of our own nations history and constitution and have never read Marx. They don't know what socialism is.

They just like the idea of getting all this great stuff for "free".

Obama says he's going to make sure that everybody can afford to go to college. Geuss what? Anyone who wants to go, can already afford it. I managed the cost by WORKING! I'm still working, I paid for my own education and now I want the next guy to pay for his.

Or maybe Obama plans to pay for it with his own money? That would be nice of him. Charity is a fine thing.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 12:13 #33

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Isn't it amazing how anyone who criticizes Obama gets accused of being a racist?
Nope. Because just like your pejorative cries of socialism your accusation is untrue. Race baiting is a tried and true method of diverting discussion. It is a despicable practice, that should be long dead by isn't, used by small minded people that are unable to process the true gift of America, that everyone is equal, regardless of creed or race. It was a shame to see the McCain campaign start down that path.

Our country doesn’t need more of the politics of hate and division. It does not need pejorative attack in place of reasoned discussion. This is how Carl Rove drove a spike into the heart of this great nation and we are reaping the result. It has become OK to lie, manipulate and deliberately smear the names of good men just because the do not agree with your ideas. This is the politics of do anything it takes to win even if it destroys the fragile fabric of our nations ability for its citizens to live in tolerance of our differences. And the effects of these tactics have not been confined to government, they have been adopted by many in areas outside the political arena.

An next time some low information, low intelligence, numskull wants to start railing about Muslims, I strongly suggest that you go to Arlington National Cemetery and take a walk amongst the more recent graves. When you come upon one that has the Crescent and Star of Islam I suggest you stop and think about the fact that that service member gave their life to protect your freedoms knowing that you hated them. Then tell them thank you. Then I wonder if you can keep that hatred burning strong in your heart.

If you want to debate tax policy, cool, debate tax policy. But for the sake of your common good grow up and stop calling anyone that doesn’t agree with you names.

And for those of you that are willing to apply a little intellectual vigor to the matter at hand go read the full transcript of Mr. Obama’s interview. If you do, and you follow Mr. McCain’s advice and actually pay attention to his words, you might find that Mr. Obama was describing the actions of the Waren court and also was taking a very strict constructionist view of the courts ability to delve into issue like the redistribution of wealth by observing that the courts are ill equipped to entertain that kind of question.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 12:40 #34

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Nope. Because just like your pejorative cries of socialism your accusation is untrue. Race baiting is a tried and true method of diverting discussion. It is a despicable practice, that should be long dead by isn't, used by small minded people that are unable to process the true gift of America, that everyone is equal, regardless of creed or race. It was a shame to see the McCain campaign start down that path.

You are the only one who has mentioned race in this discussion. You're the only one who is trying to divert the discussion to race. Is that what you mean by "race baiting"? I haven't seen you write/say anything regarding any of the issues.


An next time some low information, low intelligence, numskull wants to start railing about Muslims, I strongly suggest that you go to Arlington National Cemetery and take a walk amongst the more recent graves. When you come upon one that has the Crescent and Star of Islam I suggest you stop and think about the fact that that service member gave their life to protect your freedoms knowing that you hated them. Then tell them thank you. Then I wonder if you can keep that hatred burning strong in your heart.

You are the only one who has mentioned religion in this thread. Why would you say that I hate Muslims?

Do you think about anything other than race or religion?

If you want to debate tax policy, cool, debate tax policy. But for the sake of your common good grow up and stop calling anyone that doesn’t agree with you names.

What names?

And for those of you that are willing to apply a little intellectual vigor to the matter at hand go read the full transcript of Mr. Obama’s interview. If you do, and you follow Mr. McCain’s advice and actually pay attention to his words, you might find that Mr. Obama was describing the actions of the Waren court and also was taking a very strict constructionist view of the courts ability to delve into issue like the redistribution of wealth by observing that the courts are ill equipped to entertain that kind of question.

I know what Obama is for and I'm against it.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 13:04 #35

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Nope. Because just like your pejorative cries of socialism your accusation is untrue. Race baiting is a tried and true method of diverting discussion. It is a despicable practice, that should be long dead by isn't, used by small minded people that are unable to process the true gift of America, that everyone is equal, regardless of creed or race. It was a shame to see the McCain campaign start down that path.

The true gift of America is liberty, the freedom to live how you choose and succeed or fail on the merit of your own decisions and actions with a minimum of government interference...regardless or race or creed.
Due to the fact that we do not all make the same decisions and take the same actions we are NOT all equal, though, socialism would change that.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 14:33 #36

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
And for those of you that are willing to apply a little intellectual vigor to the matter at hand go read the full transcript of Mr. Obama’s interview. If you do, and you follow Mr. McCain’s advice and actually pay attention to his words, you might find that Mr. Obama was describing the actions of the Waren court and also was taking a very strict constructionist view of the courts ability to delve into issue like the redistribution of wealth by observing that the courts are ill equipped to entertain that kind of question.

He was bemoaning the framers construction, limiting the courts ability to change the ability of government to "redistribute wealth" (to quote Barry and Carl). He continuded that the way to overcome this obstical is to enact laws through the legislature.

A rightous man regardeth the life of his beast. Proverbs 12:10
I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 15:19 #37

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
It's not the dollar value...that can always change.

Sorry Mike I don't buy that, the main arguement of the the Righty tighties is that Obama is going to tax us, Obama has said that the line is 25k, McCain says he is going to cut taxes for us working types, but I have to wonder how? We are at war, we just bailed out the banks, and our infrastructure is crumbleing. How does the government pay for that?
Mike Ferrara]What's important is the principle...the idea that it's ok for the government to confiscate private property for redistribution.[/QUOTE]

A princiapal that has been in place since 1863 or 4 sorry I can't remmember exactly.

[QUOTE=Mike Ferrara wrote:
The media and some politicians always state oil profits in dollars while trying to justify using government to attack business and seize profits.

What they don't tell you is what the profit margin is, as you point out, low.

7 to 8 % is a pretty good profit when your product is distributed at around 7 to 8 hundred thousand units a day. Actually it's more than fair considering that oil is no longer sold on supply vs. demand, but where commodies traders set the price.
Our profit is MUCH higher, I sure hope they don't hit us with a "windfall profit" tax.

It has to be to live, Come on Mike you know that. If each of us owned a shoeing company and one of us suddenly hired 18 people to pick up deman but we increased the cost so that we could hold the same profit margin, you bet Uncle Sam is going to come get you, I don't care who is in charge.
The other thing they don't talk about is WHO owns the "big" evil oil company. Folks should check the stock content of their funds, 401k's ect. Aren't most of them publically held companies? Since when is Profit not good!

Personally I don't hold anything against any business, business is business and all of us are in it to make money, greed on the on the other hand is a compleatly diffrent animal. As I said I don't blame "big oil" for the fuel prices, I blame congress. I will grant you it is a ****py link to start from, but if you take time to look around nobody is to blame but our own leadership Republican or Democrat.

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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 15:29 #38

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And in France, they actually get real health care they can afford.

Patty who's going to pay for his health care plan? I can't stand to hear him talk anymore, him and his wife hate this country. I couldn't believe when his wife said she's proud of the usa for the first time in her adult life. OMG. After being able to go to great collages, making millions, being able to afford a few lobsters and hoitytioty caviare (sp?) for dinner, oh poor her. The one's that her and her husband disrespect the most have made it possible for them to even say that junk. And don't gett me started on how much of an ***** the VP on that ticket is. Liberals would give up their liberties in a sec for a few schekals or anything free for that matter. And once it's gone, don't plan on seeing it again.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 18:07 #39

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being able to afford a few lobsters and hoitytioty caviare (sp?) for dinner,.....

I'm no fan of either of the Obama's, but fair is fair. To that end, the incident you cited above, simply never happened and that fact is and has been proven.

That said, here's a parable for this troubling upcoming election:

"Here is how Barack Obama’s spread the wealth comment to Joe the Plumber will
actually work:

Yesterday on my way to lunch at Joe’s, I passed one of the homeless guys in
that area, with a sign that read “Vote Obama, I need the money.”

Once in Joe’s, my waiter had on a “Obama 08″ tee shirt.

When the bill came, I decided not to tip the waiter and explained to him
while he had given me exceptional service, that his tee shirt made me feel
he obviously believes in Senator Obama’s plan to redistribute the wealth.
I told him I was going to redistribute his tip to someone that I deemed more
in need –the homeless guy outside. He stood there in disbelief and angrily
stormed away.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $3 and told him to thank the waiter
inside, as I had decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy
looked at me in disbelief but seemed grateful.

As I got in my truck, I realized this rather unscientific redistribution
experiment had left the homeless guy quite happy for the money he did not
earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn

Well, I guess this redistribution of wealth is going to take a while to
catch on, with those doing the work......."
Rick Burten PF

In the immortal words of Ron White: "But let me tell you something, folks: You can't fix S-tupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. S-tupid is forever."
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 19:13 #40

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"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody"
-- Obama

"In a higher phase of communist society... only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. "
-- Karl Marx

Some of the mentors and teachers and "fathers" of Barrack Obama:

William Ayers
(Weatherman Underground bomber, unrepentant domestic terrorist)

Frank Davis
(Member Communist Party USA, Early mentor to Obama)

Jeremiah Wright
(Black Liberation militant, racist, and Pastor)

Tony Rezko
(Corrupt Financier, ties to Terror Financing)

Louis Farrakhan
(Nation of Islam Leader, racist, anti-American)

RailaOrdinga
(Fundamental Islamic Candidate, Kenya, Obama's Cousin)

Daniel Ortega
(Marxist Sandinista Leader. Nicarauga)

Raul Castro
(Hard-line Communist Leader, Cuba)
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ORGANIZATIONS of which Obama's been active:

Communist Party Illinois
(US Communist Political Party)

Socialist Party USA
(Marxist Socialist Political Party)

The New Black Panther Party
(Black Militant Organization, anti-American and racist)

Hamas Terrorist Organization
(Islamic Terrorist Organisation)

"They all hate America, they all want to destroy America as we have traditionally known it, they all want the United States to retreat in the war, and they all want to make over the United States into a marxist/socialist/collective nation that is much more disposed toward and condusive to their own ideological goals.

...and, yes, oh by the way, they all support, endorse, and/or are well disposed (either friends and mentors and advisors...or very fond of) towards BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Democratic candidate for President of the United States."

Can we ALL say "destroy from within"?

A vote for Obama is a vote for the END of the United States of America as a democracy and a government Government of the people, by the people, for the people.

A vote for Obama means there won't BE any more voting.

"His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history. "

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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 19:15 #41

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Rick Burten in gray, stuff deleted

That said, here's a parable for this troubling upcoming election:

"Here is how Barack Obama’s spread the wealth comment to Joe the Plumber will actually work..."


Sorry, I couldn't resist. :)
Tom Stovall, CJF
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 21:13 #42

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Happy Halloween!
Trick!
:) -- Gwen Santagate
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 23:05 #43

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Gwen, Gwen, Gwen.
How can a BUA like yourself be such a right wing reactionary? I knew this was coming when I read nice things you've writen about Farriers.

What do Osama and Obama have in common?
They were both born to Muslim fathers and therfore are Muslim according to Sharia Law. Osama's conversion to Christanity is a good thing to me but would recieve the death sentance in many countries.
Another thing they have in common is that they had close personal and profesional relationships with some one who bommed the Pentagon. Osama with the 911 crew and Obama with W. Ayers.
What do John Mcain and William Ayres have in common? They both partisipated in the Viet Nam War. One fought against North Viet Nam, One fought against America.

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RE:'lest there be any doubt 28 Oct 2008 23:27 #44

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Tee hee ... surprise!
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 29 Oct 2008 00:35 #45

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Obama ? McCain ? Oh ! hell where is Ralph Nader when you need him ???

Sorry bill and Gwen. :eek:
Sorry Patty. :rolleyes:

my 2 cents worth ;)
"you may not like what I say" !
-but-
"you'll never have any doubts where I stand
quote Cindy Matthews 1948-2006


I thought my life had come to a close with Cindy's passing, but there is life after death Thankyou Sharon !

Bruce Matthews
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