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RE:'lest there be any doubt 02 Nov 2008 23:36 #226

Mike Ferrara wrote:
If you read it yourself, someone elses "cherry picking" is of no concern.
Mike,

You are absolutely correct. In my version it also tells me to watch out for the hypocrites. The “cherry pickers” by an large are hypocrites or liars, especially those that take the stand that the bible is the absolute word of god and must be followed without question. I don’t see very many kosher Christians and I haven’t seen a stoning yet either.

Oh I you haven’t seen me claim to be perfect either.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 00:26 #227

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Another blateant example of racisim on your part Gwen. Just because someone says something dosen't mean it means that and you're just mean anyway.
How do you judge character? Who on these boards he would leave an Aunt to live in public housing in Boston? I can understand it may be a bit hard for some of us here, but what if you had a million dollar plus home in Chicago?
Huh? * I'm * mean and racist? Ooooookkkkaaayyy ... Drudge reports usually report "news". So, who DO we believe? Why am I racist? Cause I don't happen to agree with Obama and I don't believe what he says? No, ummmmm, the definition of "racist" is, "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races." So if i disagree with you or Rick or someone else does that make me a racist, too? This "racist" bit and name calling when someone doesn't happen to like or trust Obama is BS !! It's got nothing to do with race on my end ... it has to do with an individual person and his rhetoric. And why am I mean? I don't get it ... in the 2nd paragraph you talk about who would leave an Aunt to live in public housing in Boston? And you ask how I judge character? Well, you just stated one means of judgement.

PS ... Did you even LISTEN to the tape that was posted? Did you even pay attention to what Obama, himself, said? Good grief! I believe that Sarah Palin mentioned this today, too, in her speech in Ohio.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 02:12 #228

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Gwen,
I was trying to be funny and sarcastic and ironic (I won't quit my day job).
I've always thought you were racist and mean becaws you don't think every hoirse in the world should have shoes.
Just because there no facts to back it up, anything said against the left is racist, s e xist, or some sort of phobic.
Hey! I just figured out that you are Farrier-phobic! Finialy, I am a member of an oppressed class!

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I don't give a damn for a man who can only spell a word one way. Mark Twain
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 02:39 #229

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Oh ... well, no, Bill. Don't quit your day job! :p Thanks for the clarification cause you really did take me by surprise there!
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 03:43 #230

if bama wins,who will make all the grape jelly then?
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 08:10 #231

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
I don’t see very many kosher Christians and I haven’t seen a stoning yet either.

That's not because we choose not to follow the Bible. It's because Christ fulfilled the law. Read Galations.

Oh I you haven’t seen me claim to be perfect either.

If any of us were perfect then Christ need not have bothered.

Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast."
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 08:19 #232

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Tom Stovall, CJF wrote:
Mike Ferrara in gray, stuff deleted

Maybe someone esle can take a stab at it...I can't find any data that suugests that displaced workers make up a significant percentage of people on "welfare".

How does one get on the dole? Here in Texas, it ain't easy.

Lots of stuff says just what I've been saying...need skills, pay and benifits may be less and you have to be ready to move but I don't find anything that says they don't go back to work.


For much of the unskilled labor force, pay is in efectivo (cash) and benefits are non-existent. Illegal aliens comprise a large majority of the unskilled labor force - and any job that goes offshore or becomes redundant due to multinational mergers puts the citizenry who lost their jobs in competition with illegal aliens.

I also found some stuff that indicates that prior to 97 and "welfare reform" welfare did indeed encourage child bearing and discourage entry into the work force because welfare paid better than entry level jobs.

To my notion, any sort of dole that is not tied to some form of labor robs the recipient of his dignity and the taxpayer of its value.

Studies seem to validate those "stereotypes". I didn't find much info on what's been going on since 97 though.

Much of the sterotypes have to do with blacks in Northern urban areas, but here in Texas, the problems have to do with a finite number of jobs and a seemingly infinite number of illegal aliens. To say our social infrastructure (schools, hospitals, social services, jails, etc.) have been overwhelmed by illegal immigration would be a gross understatement. :(

I agree that illegal immigration is a huge problem and represents a huge tax burden.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 11:33 #233

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caballus wrote:
So if i disagree with you or Rick or someone else does that make me a racist, too?

Heaven forfend! :eek:. It just makes you, wrong. :D :D
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 11:37 #234

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
I don’t see very many kosher Christians.....

Now that would be a sight to behold. :eek: :)
and I haven’t seen a stoning yet either..

Ummmm, do you remember the '60's?:p Woodstock? As I recall, lots of people were stoned at that event........:)
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 11:55 #235

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When i go home and am in heaven ,one of the first thing i may do is talk to adam and eve ......and i will find them no problem they are the only ones without belly buttons!!!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA ....:)

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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 12:44 #236

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Ronald E. Kramedjian wrote:
Mike,

You are absolutely correct. In my version it also tells me to watch out for the hypocrites. The “cherry pickers” by an large are hypocrites or liars, especially those that take the stand that the bible is the absolute word of god and must be followed without question.

Ron, I just wanted to add that Galations deals directly with false teachers.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 13:22 #237

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Did any of you see the video on Sean Hannity last night? The one where Obama promised to bankrupt the coal companies under his "Cap and Trade" Plan. He also, in the same speech said this,

Obama: Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under My Cap and Trade Plan


You can go here to read: http://newsbusters.org/ and hear/watch the video.

Incredible. Absolutely incredible. Does this man think Americans are complete fools? He must.

And Rick? But, of course - you and my husband are *always right*!! :rolleyes:
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 13:54 #238

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caballus wrote:
Incredible. Absolutely incredible. Does this man think Americans are complete fools? He must.

He does and he's right.

First of all many liberals and much of the democratic party view high energy costs as a good thing! They want to punish us for using energy and for living better than folks in some other parts of the world live.

Second, relatively few voters know much about the actual issues, business, economics, science or where the candidates actually stand on the issues or what the implications of their stance is. Few know enough about our constitution or american history to put in any kind of perspective.

In other words, the voting public is largely incompetent.

LOL, I got a "letter" in the mail from the Obama campaign fishing for donations. It was the single most insulting document that I have ever read. It absolutely amazes me that anyone would think that letter could possibly gain my support. On the contrary, I'd like to see the author of the letter...eat it.
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RE:'lest there be any doubt 03 Nov 2008 14:17 #239

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast."
While we are all saved by the grace of good through our faith in him. It is through our works in following Chirsts teachings that we show faith. Therefore faith along is not enough. We must do also. Faith and works goes hand in hand.

James 2:14-26
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for brighteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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I still remember his speech where he said we can't keep on driving around in our SVUS, keeping our thermostats turned up and eating all the food we want as that sets a bad example for the rest of the world. My feeling is this on that - I and my husband worked and work HARD to get where we are right now and with God's grace and blessings we've been able to achieve all but one of our dreams. If we choose to drive an SUV (which, btw, gets 24 mpg on the highway) or keep our thermostat turned up to 72 (actually we heat our home with wood stove so that point is mute in our home) and eat as much as we want (mostly fresh home-grown during season and then put up for the winter) then it's our right to do so and its our God-given right to take pleasure in the "fruits of our labor". We live in the United States of America which was founded on Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness and out from under the taxation without representation (anyone remember the Boston Tea Party?) and THAT SHOULD SET THE EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD. Do I feel we have the 'right' to jam that down others' throats? No ... are we responsible for other peoples in other countries? It depends. If we've put our fannies in another country to help "liberate" from terrorists and a dictorial situation and we've been ASKED to do so then we need to follow through and not jump ship, so to speak. Do we have the right to go into another country and try to FORCE democracy on them? Only if we're invited by the people and then its not forced. Are we responsible for other people in our own country? As God calls each of us to share our gifts then, yes.
We've taken in the homeless into our own home. We've taken in and cared for sick and ailing parents in our own home. We have raised 4 awesome kids to adulthood who are now raising their own awesome kids and families. Two of them are Missionaries to countries such as Haiti, The Dominican, Jamaica, Albania, Senegal, Morroco, Maurtania (can't spell that one) and others. My hubby and I also have our "missions" ... he to Haiti and we both work within our own "neighborhood" with city kids and those in need. We take in sick and old and disabled animals and care for those without voices. We work as God calls us to work. We don't serve "the world" - we serve God - Under the red, white and blue stripes of an AWESOME COUNTRY! We are truly blessed. AND ... WE ARE FREE TO DO THESE THINGS!!!

I think we ALL should be counting our blessings right now, today, and think hard and long about the direction in which this country is going in light of the present government and what has been promised by the candidates.

My first post that created such a furor is not to be ignored. The implications are smacking us right in the faces.

We have one day left. Vote thoughtfully.
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