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JibJab Election 2008 16 Jul 2008 03:48 #1

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RE:JibJab Election 2008 16 Jul 2008 12:20 #2

Thanks! It made my morning.
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 16 Jul 2008 15:43 #3

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Thanks Phil.

Here's some more food for thought.

If you vote with your pocketbook.....this is how your taxes will change under each candidate.

>
> INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
>
> Spread the word.....
>
> This is something you should be
> aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
> This is really going to catch a lot
> of families off guard. It should
> make you worry.
>
> Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 40% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that 'higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K - tax $4,500
> Single making 50K - tax $12,500
> Single making 75K - tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K - tax $18,750
> Married making 125K - tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K - tax $8,400
> Single making 50K - tax $14,000
> Single making 75K - tax $23,250
> Married making 60K - tax $16,800
> Married making 75K - tax $21,000
> Married making 125K - tax $38,750
>
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them to
> these taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren't high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least....
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 16 Jul 2008 23:13 #4

Rick it appears the information you posted is totally false. Read the following link. More food for thought.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 16 Jul 2008 23:23 #5

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Phil,

Thanks for that. Having now read your updated link I can only say that while the claims may be exaggerated, it does appear that Obama fully intends on raising or restoring to previous levels, some, if not all, taxes. In fact, didn't he say so himself during an interview(s) early in his campaign?

Coupled with his lack of experience(particularly as in the field of military expertise) and neophytism( new word I just coined) in public office, and he association with some rather unique individuals whose opinions about the United States are diametrically opposed to mine, I think I will vote for a different evil that he.
Rick Burten PF

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RE:JibJab Election 2008 17 Jul 2008 00:58 #6

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Rick Burten wrote:
Phil,

Thanks for that. Having now read your updated link I can only say that while the claims may be exaggerated, it does appear that Obama fully intends on raising or restoring to previous levels, some, if not all, taxes. In fact, didn't he say so himself during an interview(s) early in his campaign?

Coupled with his lack of experience(particularly as in the field of military expertise) and neophytism( new word I just coined) in public office, and he association with some rather unique individuals whose opinions about the United States are diametrically opposed to mine, I think I will vote for a different evil that he.

Key figure is 28%. Add inflation of 2-3% avg. per year.

FairTax.org
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 17:26 #7

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Rick Burten wrote:
Coupled with his lack of experience(particularly as in the field of military expertise) and neophytism( new word I just coined) in public office, and he association with some rather unique individuals whose opinions about the United States are diametrically opposed to mine, I think I will vote for a different evil that he.

Rick,
Hope you'll now reconsider Bud Fitzpatrick:D

As each day passes he is being proven to be the best candidate:cool:
George
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 21:30 #8

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George Geist wrote:
As each day passes he is being proven to be the best candidate:cool:
George

A case of the best of the lessors perhaps......:(
Rick Burten PF

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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 21:56 #9

I have always voted republican, however I have to say I am not happy at all with the job Bush has done for the last eight years. I know the president is only one person and decisions are made by many, however what a mess this country is in now and I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't history shoe republicans give the rich tax breaks and tax the middle class and Democrats do the opposite. So if it is a tax break your looking for why would the working class put another republican back in office. Another issue is an immediate exit strategy to get to bring our men and women back from Iraq. From what I see Republicans will keep them there for ever and Democrats will get them out. Personally I think we have enough problems to solve right here at home, economy, areas hit hard by natural disasters and jobs. My vote goes to the person who at least has a finger on the pulse and does not shrug off the problems we have right here.
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 22:11 #10

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Phil Armitage wrote:
I have always voted republican, however I have to say I am not happy at all with the job Bush has done for the last eight years. I know the president is only one person and decisions are made by many, however what a mess this country is in now and I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't history shoe republicans give the rich tax breaks and tax the middle class and Democrats do the opposite. So if it is a tax break your looking for why would the working class put another republican back in office. Another issue is an immediate exit strategy to get to bring our men and women back from Iraq. From what I see Republicans will keep them there for ever and Democrats will get them out. Personally I think we have enough problems to solve right here at home, economy, areas hit hard by natural disasters and jobs. My vote goes to the person who at least has a finger on the pulse and does not shrug off the problems we have right here.

Phil you have it tottaly backwards. What are you reading man?:confused:
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 22:32 #11

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Phil you have it tottaly backwards. What are you reading man?:confused:


What makes you think it is backwards? Democrats are no friend to wealthy. Republicans have always believed in boosting the economy by giving breaks to big business and the rich. When was your last tax break? Waite first I need to know if your in the top percentile of the rich and famous? Maybe that is why your trying to convince me I have it backwards. :D
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 18 Jul 2008 23:30 #12

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Let's understand something.
No one.
Absolutely no one, would vote if the offer was this:

"Just go into that booth and pull the curtain. Behind that back curtain is someone who will write down whose name you tell them".

Electronic voting is EXACTLY the same game. EXACTLY.
Oh it has a little purdy-er cover, but it's the same game.
You cannot get a paper trail or receipt for your vote.
Ask yourself why the SAME companies that build your ATM's...that easily provide you with a receipt...DO NOT supply you with any proof of your vote.

The man who is the second in charge of Diebold is a convicted drug smuggler and has been caught with memory cards LOOSE in the trunk of his car, going from precinct to precinct while the polls were open.

Do some research. There have been people sent to jail for programming voting machines to slight the vote. They don't have to show a runaway landslide...only shave a few points here and there to completely change the outcome of any election.
Yes, we caught and publicly prosecuted a few. Many would point to that as proof the system works.
I am not convinced, especially with the recent primaries where one candidate was behind in the paper ballots but swung into the lead with electronic votes.
Couple that with a media that is absolutely corrupt and feels no responsibility to be our watchdog anymore and we end up with candidates like the ones we have.
Both are globalists with no allegiance to us.
Obama in particular is a "post turtle".

A 'post turtle'...is a phenomena that is sometimes seen in the west...say Wyoming....where you will drive for miles upon miles and see fence for as far as you can see. Post after post after post...and suddenly you'll see one with a turtle on top of it.
When you see one, you immediately ask yourself,
"How'd he get up there?"
"Who put him there?"
"I know he didn't get there by himself."
"What are they trying to say by putting him there?"
"What purpose does he serve?"
"He doesn't belong there..."

When our ballot box is effectively corrupted, We The People have no voice.
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 19 Jul 2008 03:07 #13

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Phil Armitage wrote:
What makes you think it is backwards? Democrats are no friend to wealthy. Republicans have always believed in boosting the economy by giving breaks to big business and the rich. When was your last tax break? Waite first I need to know if your in the top percentile of the rich and famous? Maybe that is why your trying to convince me I have it backwards. :D

I agree that Dems are no friend to the wealthy, only friends of the poor IMO. Why do you think the troops need to be just brought home? Do you realize that our children are in more danger now then we were back during the cold war? We are simply getting more and more soft. Why leave a country that harbors terrorist? These people, these extremist's, will not give up. We will always be over there keeping these evil people under control (if we can even call it that). It seems like most folks would be okay with just allowing the enemy to come over here and cater to them. Putting in foot baths in schools for muslim students to pray or in airports so the taxi cab drivers can come and use them. We're too worried about what other people in this world think. When we should in fact be worried about what citizens of this country feel.
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 19 Jul 2008 04:03 #14

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I agree that Dems are no friend to the wealthy, only friends of the poor IMO.

When you say poor do you mean lazy or circumstances beyond a person's control. Each and everyone of us that are fortunate to have our health, located where the economy is good, have skills and/or good education and training should consider ourselves very blessed. Even with a great education, training, skills and good location we are all a health issue away from poverty. Do we turn a blind eye and leave these people behind to fend for themselves? Is it easier on everyone to think the only poor people in this country are those who are not willing to work? I see good hard working people everyday dealing with major health issues, some with more than one family member needing costly meds and medical care, stressed with increased grocery and fuel cost. People that may have to give up every hobby and luxury just to save for this winters oil to stay warm and make the mortgage or rent payments. I'm a staunch republican, but I have to be honest. I get the feeling republican leadership do not think we have poverty in this country. Democrats seem like they at least recognize it does exist. Who would of thought gas going up a few bucks per gallon would cause so much havoc. Have you noticed everything has gone up in price to pass on the increase. If this keeps up the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

NJFarrierCJF wrote:
Why do you think the troops need to be just brought home? Do you realize that our children are in more danger now then we were back during the cold war? We are simply getting more and more soft. Why leave a country that harbors terrorist? These people, these extremist's, will not give up. We will always be over there keeping these evil people under control (if we can even call it that). It seems like most folks would be okay with just allowing the enemy to come over here and cater to them. Putting in foot baths in schools for muslim students to pray or in airports so the taxi cab drivers can come and use them. We're too worried about what other people in this world think. When we should in fact be worried about what citizens of this country feel.

We need to bring the troops home because we have no business being there. Iraq is not our problem and not our war. It does not settle to well with many Americans that our men and women are dying for something that is not a threat to our country. Terrorism has existed for generations and was at its worse back in the 70's. Why didn't past Presidents declare war back then on Iran, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Kuwait? Why didn't George Bush Sr. go into Bosnia, I will tell you why, because he has some sense. I think many would have supported that effort considering the inhumane ethnic cleansing that occurred over there. He was embarrassed by his son's decision to go into Iraq. Why didn't Clinton declare war on Afghanistan? During his time in office they had plenty of good intel on a country harboring terrorist. Europe would have welcomed our aid back then. They suffered many acts of terrorism. Clinton had sense and realised war is not the answer, it never is.

Why was Airport Security so lax pre 911, anyone could board a plain with just about anything? Being a former military person, I could never figure out why Airports were so lax. Beefing up security after the fact is just like adding a stop sign at a dangerous intersection only after someone gets killed, but could have been prevented if the people in charge were listening to suggestions from those who saw the need for one.

You say it seems like some would be OK with allowing the enemy to come over here. What enemy? Who is the enemy? That line has been used over and over again to sway the American public in supporting going to war. Remember the original reason for going to war was to seize the weapons of mass destruction. To date no such weapons have been found and now the reason is to seek out and destroy the enemy because they are out to get us. Even Bush admits we had poor intel on the weapons of mass destruction why would he have good intel on terrorism. All I see is alarmist, doomsayers and panic. What about his personal agenda with the threat made to his father? Is it reasonable for our troops to die for his personal vendetta. Well if that is the case then lets get the hell out of there. What is going on for crying out loud? How many lies are the American people going to listen to. Now President Bush doesn't see any problems with the economy or raising fuel cost, people loosing their homes, loosing jobs, loosing their retirement. We are doing more harm to this country internal than any terrorist can do, that is for sure. If thing continue down this path we may end up with our own civil war.

I voted for Bush both times, believed everything he said, supported the war effort and will always support out troops. Only time will tell if what we are doing is right or wrong. I honestly do not know anymore and I know many good Americans who feel the same way.

Sorry to ramble, I usually stay out of politics and religion discussions. I mean no disrespect. Just throwing out some of the views I have on our current state of affairs in this country.
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RE:JibJab Election 2008 19 Jul 2008 13:45 #15

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If we all cast our votes for "None of the Above", would that constitute a No Confidence Vote, thus none of them get voted in? Just some wild thinking which would never happen. But would be nice!!
Mikel Dawson, RJF

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What part of "NO" don't you understand!!

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