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TOPIC: What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA?

RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:01 #31

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Where is Norman? I thought you had thoughts on where the "Leadership" needs to go?:confused::confused::confused:
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:30 #32

Conflict does not build character it reveals it. So far Martin I'm impressed. Don't let the dribble run you off this forum.

Jaye are you referring to me as Norman? See above for my thoughts on good leadership.

Bruce, what do you mean I'm not the brightest bulb or sharpest tool, what ever you said I am in the shed? Ahhh, that's okay I will take tenacity. :D

Eric, I'm a little surprised at your comments. I don't see a politician I see an open and honest person. If Martin was a politician then he would have made sure to be very careful about what he said and avoid conflict. Thought you of all people would appreciate this.
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:43 #33

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Conflict does not build character it reveals it. So far Martin I'm impressed. Don't let the dribble run you off this forum.

Jaye are you referring to me as Norman? See above for my thoughts on good leadership.

Bruce, what do you mean I'm not the brightest bulb or sharpest tool, what ever you said I am in the shed? Ahhh, that's okay I will take tenacity. :D

Eric, I'm a little surprised at your comments. I don't see a politician I see an open and honest person. If Martin was a politician then he would have made sure to be very careful about what he said and avoid conflict. Thought you of all people would appreciate this.


As usual , Phil endorses the NEW Guy. "Change"? Glad you came aboard Phil to jion the discussion!!!! Yeah and have a Blessed Night!!!:D:D:D
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:44 #34

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Phil Armitage wrote:

Eric, I'm a little surprised at your comments. I don't see a politician I see an open and honest person. If Martin was a politician then he would have made sure to be very careful about what he said and avoid conflict. Thought you of all people would appreciate this.

I'll go down with the ship Phil! He may be honest but not my kind of guy. How you run your business tells a lot about somebody. Telling it like it is, is one thing. Setting up a website for horseowners to bring you in to tell the farrier how to shoe is another. Also, I don't want anyone to be 2nd in command of an orginazation who's goal is to reach out to horse owners, that thinks a forge is not necessary.
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:46 #35

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I'll go down with the ship Phil! He may be honest but not my kind of guy. How you run your business tells a lot about somebody. Telling it like it is, is one thing. Setting up a website for horseowners to bring you in to tell the farrier how to shoe is another. Also, I don't want anyone to be 2nd in command of an orginazation who's goal is to reach out to horse owners, that thinks a forge is not necessary.

Eric?

Have you been out of sorts? This response is not like you?:confused::confused::eek::eek:
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:48 #36

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Jaye Perry wrote:
Eric?

Have you been out of sorts? This response is not like you?:confused::confused::eek::eek:

political forum jaye. gloves off!
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:54 #37

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political forum jaye. gloves off!


Golly Gee Eric I didn't realize that about you or this paticular thread! Maybe I need to re-evaluate my responses if the "Gloves are Off"!!????:confused::confused::confused::confused:
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:55 #38

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I don't see the problem in paying his travel and room.
We do no less for clinicians we invite in.

If a couple of close associations with a sincere interest in the election process were to come together and split the expense then we could bring a few of the candidates to our areas and have a one on one with them.

I have had a similar conversation with Dick Fanguy and the expense was a consideration in his thoughts as well. (and well it should be ! )

Why do we keep asking for things to be free or always expect the AFA to pay all the expenses ?

I know someone will bring up the very high yearly due's we pay, but you have to realize the cost of doing business. To run the AFA is not cheap and like EVERYTHING ELSE in todays world, costs for them keep rising.


Jaye; Rose tinted , aw ! yes my friend. I do see a tinge of red everynow and then.
But at my old age I am told color is good. Lets others know I am still breathing.

I am not endorsing this nominee, I am mearly laying some things on the table without any negativity.
This person is shooting from the hip and looking you square in the eyes.
Kinda refreshing me thinks.

Ron K and Rick B. did the same thing and got beaten up for it.

Now I am the first to admitt that Ron was more arguemenative and abrasive and defensive.
Ron alienated many folks and that was his main down fall.
Unknown to a lot of folks, Ron put in a LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT working on a solution of the defunct website.
Ron wasn't afraid to hit heads with others and though he may have been correct in his thoughts, his method of working with others was lacking.
Ron didn't want to play the game.
Rick, being the straight up guy he is, stood by Ron .
When Rons ship was sinking, Rick being the person he is, never jumped ship.
Rick knew first hand the work and effort Ron had put forth and , "in my mind" said if My friend is going to sink then I will ride it out with him.

This is a man I would go into battle anywhere in the world with !!!

But back to the topic at hand.
Here is another candidate who is talking and looking you in the eyes. Voicing his opinions and explaining any mis-conceptions that may arise.

Lets not belittle, or abuse.
Ask good strong questions that are pertinent.
Stay focused and remember this person is but the first of others to come.
If he isn't a candidate for you then make up your mind and express your concerns in a civil grownup manner.

If we want others to step up to the plate and bring their particular expertice with them then don't shoot them in the foot the minute they come through the door.
If you want improvements, and a strong AFA with positive direction, then we need leaders.
We need folks who can delagate and work well with others.

This year many things have been implimented to make the wheels work better. Grease is getting introduced finally.
Folks ARE making efforts on all fronts to make the machine run better.

We need folks who will volunteer and help to carry some of the load.
It is so easy to sit on the fence and knock everyone and everything tried.
It is much harder to get off the fence and say "what can I do to help ?"
As Danvers pointed out, it is the persons behind the scene who are the real GLUE in making the AFA work.

"Ask not what the AFA can do for you, but what YOU can do for the AFA !"


my 2 cents worth ;)
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quote Cindy Matthews 1948-2006


I thought my life had come to a close with Cindy's passing, but there is life after death Thankyou Sharon !

Bruce Matthews
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 02:59 #39

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Where is Norman? I thought you had thoughts on where the "Leadership" needs to go?:confused::confused::confused:

I stated my opinion and I'm done. This disscussion has become about Martin Kenny and not about "Leadership in the AFA". I've been an AFA member for 27 years plus and have some opinions, but not for this thread. I'll say this though. The AFA has always had an "Identity Crisis".... one minute it looks in the mirror and wants to be the AAEP, then it looks again and wants to be the Worshipful Company of Farriers. The collective soul of the group must deal with this, not some "Leader". Laugh if you may......
Norman E. Foley CJF AFA #733
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 03:03 #40

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vthorseshoe- don't see the problem in paying his travel and room.
We do no less for clinicians we invite in.


Thought the job was that of "Voluteer". Every clinic or get together I have ever done has been donated to charity or supplies thereof. Volunteer to serve is volunteer IMO. :cool:
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 03:16 #41

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I'll go down with the ship Phil! He may be honest but not my kind of guy. How you run your business tells a lot about somebody. Telling it like it is, is one thing. Setting up a website for horseowners to bring you in to tell the farrier how to shoe is another. Also, I don't want anyone to be 2nd in command of an orginazation who's goal is to reach out to horse owners, that thinks a forge is not necessary.

Eric,

Why would you base part of your arguement on whether he uses a forge or not ?
Farriers in 2nd world countries shape shoe's out of rebar and other material and shoe their animals. Not pretty but does the job.

I can recall a time I shaped a shoe on a rock. Yes ! a rock..

There are a number of farriers in this country and Canada who cold shape shoe's.
I have seen one of our elder farriers draw clips COLD on steel shoe's and aluminum.
I can positively tell you this gentleman from Pennsylvania has forgotten more than you and I will ever know.

I could go on as my brain is throwing all sorts of things out, but I can't believe I will have much of an effect on your opinions. :rolleyes:
"you may not like what I say" !
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"you'll never have any doubts where I stand
quote Cindy Matthews 1948-2006


I thought my life had come to a close with Cindy's passing, but there is life after death Thankyou Sharon !

Bruce Matthews
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 03:30 #42

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vthorseshoe wrote:

Eric,

Why would you base part of your arguement on whether he uses a forge or not ?
Its not that he doesn't use a forge, he makes it a point to horsowners that a forge is not needed. Sorry there, that's not good for my business.
Farriers in 2nd world countries shape shoe's out of rebar and other material and shoe their animals. Not pretty but does the job.

Our national orginization shouldn't be out getting the job done. MY sister could get the job done.

I
can recall a time I shaped a shoe on a rock. Yes ! a rock..

I'd bet money it didn't fit like you'd wanted it to. Do you want your national orgininzation to get the job done or hold a higher standard?

I have seen one of our elder farriers draw clips COLD on steel shoe's and aluminum.

How are his clips on roadster doing? Drawing clips cold isn't telling me much!
I can positively tell you this gentleman from Pennsylvania has forgotten more than you and I will ever know.

I try not to insult my elders, but with the information available today, Ther'es a good chance your wrong.
I could go on as my brain is throwing all sorts of things out, but I can't believe I will have much of an effect on your opinions.

If you say something reasonable instead of preaching kindness maybe you could change my opinoins. You just said the past is better than the future.
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 04:02 #43

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As usual , Phil endorses the NEW Guy. "Change"? Glad you came aboard Phil to jion the discussion!!!! Yeah and have a Blessed Night!!!:D:D:D


Jaye just wondering how an atheist considers a horse one of Gods creatures? :D
Phil Armitage, CF
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 04:13 #44

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Jaye just wondering how an atheist considers a horse one of Gods creatures? :D

I bet Jaye is an Agnostic and not an Athiest, but either way, I'd think he'd say... the horse is one of Nature's creatures.
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RE:What makes one a good ELECTED OFFICER of the AFA? 22 Jun 2008 04:21 #45

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Some of you have missed the point, big time. Martin didn't ask for anyof us to judge him, his forging or shoeing skills, or political skills at all. But you sure all jumped right on that trying to throw him out before he got started. He asked the question:

"WHAT MAKES ONE A GOOD ELECTED OFFICER OF THE AFA?"

For which I'm pretty sure he was looking for what we thought the people we elected should have in the way of morals, leadership skills, people skills, and political skills. He did not ask you to judge his shoeing, his web page, or his ability to hold office. He was looking for what we thought we might like to see in a leader of the AFA.

If you don't like him or what he does don't vote for him, but have the brains and guts enough to say why without acting what I see as pretty childish and petty.

OK, have at it guys, I don't care anymore. Some of you have made this place boring as Smitty said and at the very least a waste of time cause it takes to much time to wade through the cr**ap. Even with Eric's new found niceness it's get's old really fast. It's false, boring, candy coated BS and makes me sick to read it. I respect him as a farrier cause he's shown he can do good work and can talk the talk, but he's really just trying to pi**ss people off most of the time. What a waste of a good resource for those of us still trying to learn.

Have a good one and thank you to all of those who have helped me over the years, I've learned a lot from here and will check back once in a while but I'm going to find someone to work with and get better elsewhere... It's just gotten to childish and vengeful here.

Thanks Baron, this has been one of the greatest resources I've ever found, but the bullies are boring and thelearning is to little and to far in between anymore. THANKS.
Ben Sturman
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Beware the lollipop of mediocrity, one lick and you will suck for ever!

Folks who think traditional farriery means perimeter fit don't know a heluva lot about shoeing. Tom Stovall,...
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