Gentlemen,
In my opinion Ron's use of a very close version of the AFA's Journeyman logo in his advertising is misleading to the horseowner. I believe it to be unethical.
Years ago, I worked my butt off to pass that test and I am darn proud of it.
I don't like seeing it misused.
Jim

JimBondra wrote:
That's what I mean by personal(sp)



Regards

Ray Steele

Ray,
You bet it's personal!

Let's open a beer joint on the corner and call it Starbocks.
According to Ron it would be no problem;)

JimBondra wrote:
As per the rules I abide by, I won't comment on Ron's use of the logo, good, bad or otherwise. What sparked this post was the snippet above, from Jim. I don't have the ability to do it (as I don't shoe any longer), but I'd like to know the results of (an admittedly non-scientific) test which would be done as follows: Have 3 index cards. On one, paste a print-out of the AFA logo without the words "American Farriers Association" below it. Just the graphic. On the second, paste a print-out of the Guild of Professional Farriers logo, once again without the words which run around the perimeter of the graphic. And on the third card paste the logo (such as it is) of the BWFA, without the words.

Now, whenever one of you meets a horseowner, take a moment to slip these 3 cards out of your pocket (you may want to laminate them, as I'm sure they'd desintegate from being sweat-soaked on the first day) and simply ask the horse owner if they know what the symbols on the cards represent. That's it. No other prompting (don't use the word "logo" as that is a clue). Don't provide guidance. It's not "20 questions." They either know what the symbols represent, or they don't.

I would venture to think that a majority may even guess that the symbols are logos of some sort, but I'd be surprised if more than 1 in 100 (and that may be optimistic) can accurately match ANY of the logos to the correct organization.

Would that be a good thing? I don't think so.... But it's not my place to tell the organizations how to promote themselves.

But it does beg the question of whether or not the comment made by Jim is accurate. A person can't be mislead if they have no prior knowledge of the subject.

OK, I'm moseying back behind the curtain now....

Baron

JimBondra wrote:
Jim,

Brilliant,that's the type of thinking that gets a pint up!

Sir ,
I'm in it with you, suggestions in the future "Stout(as in Guinness) bochs(as in early hop)" rolling eyes(as in too much stout bochs):.When do we start?

Jim, seriously(that does not mean I want to discontinue the beer joint discussion), are we taking "law" or personnel(sp)? Cause Personal don't cut it legally!

Regards

Ray

bullwinkel wrote:
As a person who bought thousands of pounds, and or thousands of kilos of Capewell nails,as seconds, I would differ with your opinion that a blind mad would notice(s) id(it). I think Baron might even back me up on this.

Regards

Ray Steele

Hey Hey Hey!!!!!
You can't tak about nails on this thread!!!!! You'll get it locked:D:D

That's right! Stick to the subject.

Baron

Jim,

your correct! I think!

Well back to beer! oops I'm all out.

Regards

Ray Steele

Well I guess Ron,s going to change his logo ,because he sure isn't defending himself.

Save me a beer Ray!
Jim

bullwinkel wrote:
bullwinkkel;

Start a different thread and I'll tell you what I know. or pm me

regards Ray Steele

JimBondra wrote:
Jim,

The time you spent working your butt off to pass the test is why you shoe horses as well as you do.

Ron's use of a logo that is similar to the CJF logo is not going to improve his work to anywhere near the quality you have achieved.

If an individual needs to use a similar logo to feel good about ones work... who cares?

BPethick wrote:Bob,
I think I can tell where he's coming from. I once had a friend who liked to embellish and brag on his military exploits. We all knew him to be a bit of a Walter Mitty type so we excused his talk and laughed him off.

There came a night he was in a bar someplace and a very large individual grabbed him and threw him against a wall. Told him "I am Master Sergeant __________ , I've been in that outfit for the last 25 years and I know everyone who's come and gone and I don't know you!" "What are you doing with that effing jacket on?!"

Good thing my buddy was able to talk his way out of that mess because it looked like his BS was going to finally get him hurt.

Moral of the story is some military guys take stuff like their outfits they served in very seriously. Some horseshoers obviously take their certification status seriously as well. This appears to be what we're seeing here.
George

bullwinkel wrote:Hey Moose,
Wonder if that's a registered copyrighted trademark? If not Ron can put all his lawyers to work registering it to him then sue the AFA:D

That sure would liven things up here on horseshoes.com wouldn't it?
George