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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:00 #16

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Gentlemen,
In my opinion Ron's use of a very close version of the AFA's Journeyman logo in his advertising is misleading to the horseowner. I believe it to be unethical.
Years ago, I worked my butt off to pass that test and I am darn proud of it.
I don't like seeing it misused.
Jim
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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:08 #17

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JimBondra wrote:
Gentlemen,
In my opinion Ron's use of a very close version of the AFA's Journeyman logo in his advertising is misleading to the horseowner. I believe it to be unethical.

Jim ,
I'm sure you've heard the saying"close but no cigar"



Years ago, I worked my butt off to pass that test and I am darn proud of it.
I don't like seeing it misused.
Jim

That's what I mean by personal(sp)



Regards

Ray Steele
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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:21 #18

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Ray,
You bet it's personal!

Let's open a beer joint on the corner and call it Starbocks.:rolleyes:
According to Ron it would be no problem;)
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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:28 #19

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JimBondra wrote:
Gentlemen,
...is misleading to the horseowner.
Jim

As per the rules I abide by, I won't comment on Ron's use of the logo, good, bad or otherwise. What sparked this post was the snippet above, from Jim. I don't have the ability to do it (as I don't shoe any longer), but I'd like to know the results of (an admittedly non-scientific) test which would be done as follows: Have 3 index cards. On one, paste a print-out of the AFA logo without the words "American Farriers Association" below it. Just the graphic. On the second, paste a print-out of the Guild of Professional Farriers logo, once again without the words which run around the perimeter of the graphic. And on the third card paste the logo (such as it is) of the BWFA, without the words.

Now, whenever one of you meets a horseowner, take a moment to slip these 3 cards out of your pocket (you may want to laminate them, as I'm sure they'd desintegate from being sweat-soaked on the first day) and simply ask the horse owner if they know what the symbols on the cards represent. That's it. No other prompting (don't use the word "logo" as that is a clue). Don't provide guidance. It's not "20 questions." They either know what the symbols represent, or they don't.

I would venture to think that a majority may even guess that the symbols are logos of some sort, but I'd be surprised if more than 1 in 100 (and that may be optimistic) can accurately match ANY of the logos to the correct organization.

Would that be a good thing? I don't think so.... But it's not my place to tell the organizations how to promote themselves.

But it does beg the question of whether or not the comment made by Jim is accurate. A person can't be mislead if they have no prior knowledge of the subject.

OK, I'm moseying back behind the curtain now....

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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:37 #20

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JimBondra wrote:
Ray,
You bet it's personal!

Let's open a beer joint on the corner and call it Starbocks.:rolleyes:
According to Ron it would be no problem;)

Jim,

Brilliant,that's the type of thinking that gets a pint up!

Sir ,
I'm in it with you, suggestions in the future "Stout(as in Guinness) bochs(as in early hop)" rolling eyes(as in too much stout bochs):.When do we start?

Jim, seriously(that does not mean I want to discontinue the beer joint discussion), are we taking "law" or personnel(sp)? Cause Personal don't cut it legally!

Regards

Ray
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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:56 #21

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[But it does beg the question of whether or not the comment made by Jim is accurate. A person can't be mislead if they have no prior knowledge of the subject.

OK, I'm moseying back behind the curtain now....

Baron /QUOTE]

No Baron, a person cannot be mislead if they have no prior knowledge of a subject. But, they can and will be mislead by false advertising. Just look at the BUA sites.
Jim
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RE:Ron K Logo 15 Jun 2008 23:59 #22

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bullwinkel wrote:
I think you will find it comes down to, was it your original design & concept ? plagiarized, who registered the logo first, could it be mistaken for or misled that it is representing some one easels organization, are there monetary gains to be made by it being mistaken & could there be damage to the reputation of the other organisation though misrepresentation , does it now render the other organisations logo ambiguous, & what monitory loses will the other organisation suffer due to that occurring .

Know back to nails Ron sounds like your not back punching your shoes properly & galling the shank of the nail, i doubt very much it would be the quality of the steel, they regularly batch test the grade & composition of the metal every run, its a intranet proses, if its not the right constancy the dies wont form the nails properly, a blind man would notices in production.

As a person who bought thousands of pounds, and or thousands of kilos of Capewell nails,as seconds, I would differ with your opinion that a blind mad would notice(s) id(it). I think Baron might even back me up on this.

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Ray Steele
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:01 #23

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Hey Hey Hey!!!!!
You can't tak about nails on this thread!!!!! You'll get it locked:D:D
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:07 #24

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That's right! Stick to the subject.

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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:11 #25

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Jim,

your correct! I think!

Well back to beer! oops I'm all out.

Regards

Ray Steele
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:28 #26

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Well I guess Ron,s going to change his logo ,because he sure isn't defending himself.

Save me a beer Ray!
Jim
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:42 #27

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bullwinkel wrote:
Really then how did they distinguish the firsts from the seconds ??? not by logo i hope :D

bullwinkkel;

Start a different thread and I'll tell you what I know. or pm me

regards Ray Steele
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:44 #28

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JimBondra wrote:
Gentlemen,
In my opinion Ron's use of a very close version of the AFA's Journeyman logo in his advertising is misleading to the horseowner. I believe it to be unethical.
Years ago, I worked my butt off to pass that test and I am darn proud of it.
I don't like seeing it misused.
Jim

Jim,

The time you spent working your butt off to pass the test is why you shoe horses as well as you do.

Ron's use of a logo that is similar to the CJF logo is not going to improve his work to anywhere near the quality you have achieved.

If an individual needs to use a similar logo to feel good about ones work... who cares? :D
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:56 #29

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BPethick wrote:
If an individual needs to use a similar logo to feel good about ones work... who cares? :D
Bob,
I think I can tell where he's coming from. I once had a friend who liked to embellish and brag on his military exploits. We all knew him to be a bit of a Walter Mitty type so we excused his talk and laughed him off.

There came a night he was in a bar someplace and a very large individual grabbed him and threw him against a wall. Told him "I am Master Sergeant __________ , I've been in that outfit for the last 25 years and I know everyone who's come and gone and I don't know you!" "What are you doing with that effing jacket on?!"

Good thing my buddy was able to talk his way out of that mess because it looked like his BS was going to finally get him hurt.

Moral of the story is some military guys take stuff like their outfits they served in very seriously. Some horseshoers obviously take their certification status seriously as well. This appears to be what we're seeing here.
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RE:Ron K Logo 16 Jun 2008 00:59 #30

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bullwinkel wrote:
I don't think the prior knowledge argument would stand up in court imo, it would be counter successfully argued, that seen as the person had no prior knowledge of the subject he was swayed by the graphics in the logo, if the court excerpts that plagarisation took place,& that the other organisations logo represented any form of "marketing tool" then it would come with in the boundaries of (monitory gain) there for damages would be awarded by the court. i think nails is a safer forum subject to turn ones attention to now.
Hey Moose,
Wonder if that's a registered copyrighted trademark? If not Ron can put all his lawyers to work registering it to him then sue the AFA:D

That sure would liven things up here on horseshoes.com wouldn't it?
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