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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:04 #61

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Phil Armitage wrote:

Bob I have been on committees, problem solving teams, project teams and all I ever saw was complaining, time wasted, egos and ****ing contests. Total lack of productivity, same ole issues get tabled for further discussion, I am sure the AFA's committees and meetings are no different.

Yea, what a waste of time...

Drinking a beer and complaining on a web site are a much better use of time.

Phil Armitage wrote:

This forum is a lot more constructive and friendlier and at times very productive and helpful. We can vent, help others, get help and make new friends.

You are kidding, right...

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:07 #62

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high performance shoeing wrote:

For somebody you doesn't care about the AFA, why do you get all fired up about it?

It's mostly just something to chat about though I can get a little fired up when the subject of licensing comes up.

Sometimes I sort of mis engineering a bit too so some of this is fun to talk about. Especially with all the claims of objectivity, standardization and, to quote anvilsteve again "a higher standard than adequate".

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:08 #63

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	BPethick wrote: Yea, what a waste of time... Drinking a beer and complaining on a web site are a much better use of time. Hey, if all you do is drink beer when your on the forum, that's fine. Some of us are here to learn with all our books open on the table drinking coffee so we can stay awake all night and learn.
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:10 #64

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	Mike Ferrara wrote: It's mostly just something to chat about though I can get a little fired up when the subject of licensing comes up. Sometimes I sort of mis engineering a bit too so some of this is fun to talk about. Especially with all the claims of objectivity, standardization and, to quote anvilsteve again "a higher standard than adequate". Its all relative!
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:15 #65

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This conversation started when Bruce asked for ideas of how to make the AFA "better". This topic was a direct response to the comment of the AFA as an "exclusionary" group. I am happy to throw out a few suggestions from my perspective. Don't ask for my opinion and then label me a whiner when I take the time to answer the question. I have pointed out a few reasons why I am not a (certified) AFA member, and you can take them or leave them as you like.

Danvers,
Thank you for the answers, I do appreciate the clarification on the AFA's position.

P

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:17 #66

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reillyshoe wrote:

This conversation started when Bruce asked for ideas of how to make the AFA "better". This topic was a direct response to the comment of the AFA as an "exclusionary" group. I am happy to throw out a few suggestions from my perspective. Don't ask for my opinion and then label me a whiner when I take the time to answer the question. I have pointed out a few reasons why I am not a (certified) AFA member, and you can take them or leave them as you like.

Danvers,
Thank you for the answers, I do appreciate the clarification on the AFA's position.

I asked you direct questions that would probably contradict your thought of using a nb shoe for afa certification.

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:20 #67

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	The shoe making steps? First of all, I'm sure it could be done. Secondly, keg shoes are allowed for the CF test, are they not?
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:23 #68

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	reillyshoe wrote: The shoe making steps? First of all, I'm sure it could be done. Secondly, keg shoes are allowed for the CF test, are they not? Shoe display! Toe clip! What pattern are the shoe displays made to? A distorted hoof? Anterior shoe? Kegs are allowed. A NB is allowed to as long as it fits. Trimming to the sole plane may or may not get you stopped.
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:24 #69

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	This will help all of you with certification. http://youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:24 #70

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Eric Russell wrote:

One of the sneakiest tricks is Practice!

Pat as usual people want to jump ahead of everything. Forget the shoeing part. Let's start at the beginning. The shoe display. Tell me a little bit about the shoe display. Should the afa do away with the toe clip? If people are turning in a passing shoe display, how on earth are they not able to put a perimeter fit on a horse?

Now lets jump ahead! How should the anterior extension shoe be made to suit people who don't want to perimeter fit?

Nobody says anyone has to do things exactly as the test says. As long as the points add up you pass. I don't change anything about my trim for the afa exam. IOW, I take my hits for taking my heels a tad low sometimes. And if I need to make the foot easier to fit, I may overdress the walls a little.

Suggesting the NB for the practical test is just that- the practical. Put whatever you want on the shoe board.

P

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:25 #71

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Eric Russell wrote:

Hey, if all you do is drink beer when your on the forum, that's fine. Some of us are here to learn with all our books open on the table drinking coffee so we can stay awake all night and learn.

I'm with you Eric, this is very serious and educational. I do not drink when I am on serious threads. Coffee keeps me up at night so I have milk and cookies, note pad and reference books.

Phil Armitage, CF
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"Anyone who proposes to do good must not expect people to roll stones out of his way, but must accept his lot calmly if they even roll a few more upon it." Albert Schweitzer

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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:26 #72

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	reillyshoe wrote: Suggesting the NB for the practical test is just that- the practical. Put whatever you want on the shoe board. But all those shoes, wouldn't they be perimeter fit? If you can perimeter fit all those shoes for the display why couldn't you do it on the foot?
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:26 #73

solidrockshoer OFFLINE Admin Posts: 12874 Thank you received: 2 Karma: -1	Phil Armitage wrote: Eric Russell wrote: I'm with you Eric, this is very serious and educational. I do not drink when I am on serious threads. Coffee keeps me up at night so I have milk and cookies, note pad and reference books. Irish coffee doesn't count!
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:30 #74

reillyshoe OFFLINE Master Posts: 2690 Thank you received: 7 Karma: 4	Eric Russell wrote: But all those shoes, wouldn't they be perimeter fit? If you can perimeter fit all those shoes for the display why couldn't you do it on the foot? Eric, I'm just throwing out ideas about broadening the perception of the AFA. Make a shoe to a pattern and nail on a shoe to a different "standard".
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:30 #75

Phil Armitage OFFLINE Guru Posts: 9254 Karma: 0	Eric Russell wrote: Phil Armitage wrote: Irish coffee doesn't count! True, true, that way I will be sleeping with my eyes open. Is their a deep personal message in the video?
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