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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:42 #46

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Eric Russell wrote:
ooookay! I have no idea what your talking about. I'm sure no other tester or examiner does either! I can only assume after trimming you don't look to see if your feet are flat. When I look to see if a foot is flat. 1. Any dips in the toe. 2. quarters gutted. 3. rolled heels 4. high spots.

Of course I look to see if the feet I trim are "flat".

This isn't rocket science. From the testers/examiners opinion is the foot flat and what varying degrees is it not flat. Of course when its left to the human eye there will be varying opinion. Which is why there are testers and examiners. And tester and examiner updates. Sorry Mike but this isn't a glaring obvious problem.

It's not rocket science, it's measurement science. It can be done such that it's more reliable, verifyiable and less subjective. If they don't want too, that's fine with me. It's no skin off my nose and I intend to keep it that way.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:46 #47

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BPethick wrote:
To clarify, the committees are where change within the AFA comes from.

The committees report any changes to the BOD and it is voted to be accepted or not.

The committees are the source of change.

If you would like to see changes within the AFA, you need to get involved on a committee.

I don't care if the AFA changes or not.

Complaining on a web site is just that...

Well, we're discussing it. If someone gets something useful out of it, fine. If not, it still served it's primary purpose. It's just conversation.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:48 #48

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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Of course I look to see if the feet I trim are "flat".

It's not rocket science, it's measurement science. It can be done such that it's more reliable, verifyiable and less subjective. If they don't want too, that's fine with me. It's no skin off my nose and I intend to keep it that way.

Are you the only person that can look at a foot and determine if it is flat? Examiners I guess need some sort of laser scan developed by NASA to see if a foot is flat.
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Mike Ferrara wrote:
Of course I look to see if the feet I trim are "flat".

It's not rocket science, it's measurement science. It can be done such that it's more reliable, verifyiable and less subjective. If they don't want too, that's fine with me. It's no skin off my nose and I intend to keep it that way.

Are others aware that this is a problem? This is news to me. Also, if you understood the scoring method, you'd realize you can have a prettly unlevel trim and still achieve a go to the next round. People usually get stopped because they have numerous things wrong in the trimming phase. And some examiners suggest letting them continue, which inevitably will get them stopped when they can't fit a shoe to the foot they just trimmed and dressed.
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Mike Ferrara wrote:
I don't care if the AFA changes or not.

For somebody you doesn't care about the AFA, why do you get all fired up about it?
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:51 #51

BPethick wrote:
To clarify, the committees are where change within the AFA comes from.

The committees report any changes to the BOD and it is voted to be accepted or not.

The committees are the source of change.

If you would like to see changes within the AFA, you need to get involved on a committee.

Complaining on a web site is just that...

Bob I have been on committees, problem solving teams, project teams and all I ever saw was complaining, time wasted, egos and ****ing contests. Total lack of productivity, same ole issues get tabled for further discussion, I am sure the AFA's committees and meetings are no different. This forum is a lot more constructive and friendlier and at times very productive and helpful. We can vent, help others, get help and make new friends.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:54 #52

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Bob I have been on committees, problem solving teams, project teams and all I ever saw was complaining, time wasted, egos and ****ing contests. Total lack of productivity, same ole issues get tabled for further discussion, I am sure the AFA's committees and meetings are no different. This forum is a lot more constructive and friendlier and at times very productive and helpful. We can vent, help others, get help and make new friends.

But you can't make changes within the afa from your keyboard.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:55 #53

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How many years experience is required to be a CJF? Just currious.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:57 #54

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Are you the only person that can look at a foot and determine if it is flat?

There is a difference. When I shoe a clients horse I very well may be held accountable for the results during the entire shoeing cycle.

How is the examination procedure or the examiner held accountable for their decisions? What's the capability of the process?


Examiners I guess need some sort of laser scan developed by NASA to see if a foot is flat.

LOL, you could no doubt use a laser but my money says that there are more cost effective and practical methods that would still be an improvement. We don't need NASA for this one...really.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:57 #55

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But you can't make changes within the afa from your keyboard.

True, but I have made changes in my buisness from the keyboard. Thanks to new friends and I am very gratefull.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 23:58 #56

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How many years experience is required to be a CJF? Just currious.

I think you can be a CJF within the first year of shoeing, all you have to do is pass the test.
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:00 #57

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Phil Armitage wrote:
Bob I have been on committees, problem solving teams, project teams and all I ever saw was complaining, time wasted, egos and ****ing contests. Total lack of productivity, same ole issues get tabled for further discussion, I am sure the AFA's committees and meetings are no different. This forum is a lot more constructive and friendlier and at times very productive and helpful. We can vent, help others, get help and make new friends.

Yes but did you get to go to any of that neat "team building" training at a country club or resort? LOL

A committee or team is just another name for a bunch of people who are going to sit around and watch one or two guys do all the work.

When that one guy isn't getting things done fast enough, the trick is to add "champions" to make him go faster....maybe a steering committee.
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:01 #58

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How many years experience is required to be a CJF? Just currious.

I believe its two why? I don't think the te is much longer if you were wondering.
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:02 #59

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There is a difference. When I shoe a clients horse I very well may be held accountable for the results during the entire shoeing cycle.

How is the examination procedure or the examiner held accountable for their decisions? What's the capability of the process?

LOL, you could no doubt use a laser but my money says that there are more cost effective and practical methods that would still be an improvement. We don't need NASA for this one...really.

How many of your clients would notice if your feet were flat?

If you have a suggestion on how else they can evaluate the flatness, we would all love to hear it!:cool:
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RE:AFA Certification 01 Apr 2008 00:03 #60

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Eric Russell wrote:
I believe its two why? I don't think the te is much longer if you were wondering.

Thanks Phil and Eric, just curious. What is the te?
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