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TOPIC: AFA Certification

RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:22 #16

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Phil Armitage wrote:
To those who keep saying people are *****ing, YOUR WAY OFF THE MARK!!!!!

Why do some of you take constructive feedback as *****ing and whineing. You get over it.

My focus is education, help improve a process that might gain more members. If you don't want to hear it, then just stop reading.

What makes you think that anyone wants feedback? Why should they stop reading when they think they can tell you what you can write?

As Anvilsteve said...it's a higher standard. I guess it's above your questions/comments. Just pay your money and take the test. Then it'll be ok with them if you comment.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:23 #17

For those who claim the AFA standard is just a test. Why is this link available to horse owners to evaluate proper shoeing?

http://www.americanfarriers.org/horse_owners/evaluating_horseshoeing/shoe_fit.php
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:25 #18

Mike Ferrara wrote:
What makes you think that anyone wants feedback? Why should they stop reading when they think they can tell you what you can write?

As Anvilsteve said...it's a higher standard. I guess it's above your questions/comments. Just pay your money and take the test. Then it'll be ok with them if you comment.

Because no matter if your AFA or not we are all farriers and farriers have big egos, everyone of us. ;):D
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:28 #19

Eric Russell wrote:
Pass the tests before you give feedback! Until then its not feedback. :rolleyes:

Get to work hammer head, you have a truck to pay for.

I want sausage and pasta again, when can I come down?
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:30 #20

What is everyone going to say when I pass the test and also have my theraputic thingy dingy attached and I'm still giveing constructive feedback? Maybe I will run for president, get elected and raise some hell.:eek::rolleyes::D
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:31 #21

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Eric Russell wrote:
Pass the tests before you give feedback! Until then its not feedback. :rolleyes:

Nonsense. I spent almost 17 years designing tests, test methods and test equipment. I didn't conduct the tests or run the equipment, I just designed it all.

I don't need to take the test in order to be able to tell you that there are glaringly obvious problems with the way they specify and inspect parts of the test. It's all easy enough to support without taking the test.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:32 #22

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In taking any test or class it's vital to know what the prof is looking for. The trick to efficient study/practice/preperation is knowing what's expected.

Which is why the precerts are supposed to be up and running. Hellooooooo AFA! How the precerts doing?
An examiner really said that? If the trim was correct (it passed so it must have been) why would you want to burn the heels lower to make the fit longer and ruin that good trim that passed? Why not just cut the heels down or use a smaller shoe? That's the advice I would have given. Gotta burn a foot pretty good to get it much longer huh?
ugh! Look at the score sheet and get back to us.:rolleyes: Is a/p balance scored after the shoe is fit?
I have to wonder why he didn't just use the slid back shoe to demonstrate how to fix/avoid it. Instead he demonstrates sloppy work and making excuses. Now there's industry leadership for you. IMOP, he should have been stripped of his stripes in public and sent packin.

I've seen this and its an obvious problem. I did the barshoe demo last month. I had no problem telling them it was a failing job.
We all know that a shoe can slide...well I've never had it happen to me but I've heard of it:D If you have to pull a nail or two to slide it back, so what? At least it's right when you get done.

shoes slide back all the time and still pass. Somtimes you have to take a hit on points if times running out.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:34 #23

Mike Ferrara wrote:
Nonsense. I spent almost 17 years designing tests, test methods and test equipment. I didn't conduct the tests or run the equipment, I just designed it all.

I don't need to take the test in order to be able to tell you that there are glaringly obvious problems with the way they specify and inspect parts of the test. It's all easy enough to support without taking the test.

Hey Mike, it is flawed. :D
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:39 #24

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What is everyone going to say when I pass the test and also have my theraputic thingy dingy attached and I'm still giveing constructive feedback? Maybe I will run for president, get elected and raise some hell.:eek::rolleyes::D

Regardless of what everyone thinks about certifications. I'd think everyone would agree in order to pass the therapuetic endorsement you'd have to be a pretty good farrier.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:40 #25

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Nonsense. I spent almost 17 years designing tests, test methods and test equipment. I didn't conduct the tests or run the equipment, I just designed it all.

I don't need to take the test in order to be able to tell you that there are glaringly obvious problems with the way they specify and inspect parts of the test. It's all easy enough to support without taking the test.

which parts are they?
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:41 #26

Oh, oh, oh, Mr. Carter, Mr. Carter, I have a question.

If the US of A decides to regulate and control the Farrier industry and Education and Licensing is required. Will AFA Certification grandfather current farriers. If yes, why?

Why wouldn't the government look at other things like NB Cert. or the Union?

Or will any Certification prepare us working farriers for licensing, so that we can keep on legally earn a paycheck and put food on the table?
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:43 #27

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Regardless of what everyone thinks about certifications. I'd think everyone would agree in order to pass the therapuetic endorsement you'd have to be a pretty good farrier.

I was going to just say yep, but the forum says thats too short. So Yep.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:46 #28

One more thing, just so everyone knows where I am coming from. Regardless if your certified or not the AFA wants to take the lead in the whole trade, however they cannot get actively involved with issues that affect the trade in a whole. So if the AFA wants to speak for everyone that does this for a living and call themselves the premier organization and educate horse owners of that fact, then the AFA needs to do a lot of work and make a lot of changes.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:49 #29

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I said...
I have to wonder why he didn't just use the slid back shoe to demonstrate how to fix/avoid it. Instead he demonstrates sloppy work and making excuses. Now there's industry leadership for you. IMOP, he should have been stripped of his stripes in public and sent packin.

Eric Russell wrote:
I've seen this and its an obvious problem. I did the barshoe demo last month. I had no problem telling them it was a failing job.

Good job. It sounds like you were trying to help them understand what's needed to pass more than you were trying to show off. Not everyone can do that.

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shoes slide back all the time and still pass. Somtimes you have to take a hit on points if times running out.



That's part of knowing how to take a test.
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RE:AFA Certification 31 Mar 2008 22:55 #30

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Oh, oh, oh, Mr. Carter, Mr. Carter, I have a question.

If the US of A decides to regulate and control the Farrier industry and Education and Licensing is required. Will AFA Certification grandfather current farriers. If yes, why?

Why wouldn't the government look at other things like NB Cert. or the Union?

Or will any Certification prepare us working farriers for licensing, so that we can keep on legally earn a paycheck and put food on the table?

The fact that some people want licensing is one reason that I won't add my name to the ranks of the AFA.

The government isn't going to do such a thing without someone to lobby for it. I don't want any interested organization the be big enough to be able to make it happen.
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