Mare sore on fronts...need shoes?

[Western Hill Forge]

Originally Posted by Gabino

Who was first, the trush or the deep sulcus frog?.The deep sulcus frog shows that the connective tissue is cracked. The heels move independent and this movement continues cracking the connective tissue and makes pain.It's a problem mechanic. The trush is opportunist and invades de deep,hot and wet sulcus frog.

A straight barshoe impedes this movement.

Gabino,
Do you know what mechanics caused the deep c. sulcus? I've been thinking about your post since I read it, and have no ideas other than one heel being much higher than the other. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

Regards

[Rusti0183]

Originally Posted by Western Hill Forge

Gabino,
Do you know what mechanics caused the deep c. sulcus? I've been thinking about your post since I read it, and have no ideas other than one heel being much higher than the other. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

Regards

Hey Rick, Gabino, everyone else, do you think her heels are uneven in any of the pics I posted? To me, in the pictures they look even, and when I sight down the bottom of her foot they are level with the toe. I thought I had the left front lateral heel too long but then looked at the hairline and they appear even. I think she's just standing funny in the heel picture. Anyhow. Since I took her heels down on Sunday and they de-contracted more, there has been very noticeable improvement in her sulcuses. Both have abundant new tissue growth and are shallower than they were 5 days ago. They even looked alot better today than they do in those "after" pictures, which I took Monday.

[Rusti0183]

Originally Posted by Gabino

Who was first, the trush or the deep sulcus frog?.The deep sulcus frog shows that the connective tissue is cracked. The heels move independent and this movement continues cracking the connective tissue and makes pain.It's a problem mechanic. The trush is opportunist and invades de deep,hot and wet sulcus frog.

A straight barshoe impedes this movement.

To be honest I'm really not sure. She wore the last set of shoes 7 weeks (per farrier's recommendation) and during that time her heels had contracted. She didn't ever seem thrushy to me though, I was picking her feet out every day. Then a few days after the shoes were pulled I noticed how deep the sulcuses had become. When the farrier put the shoes on her he had them nailed all the way on (6 nails per shoe, 3 nails per side) and then hit the shoes' heels with a hammer to, as he said, "close them up more". He did this by holding a block against the outside of one heel, and hitting the other heel with the hammer. (Seems to me that's something that should have been addressed when he was shaping the shoe, before any nails were ever driven.) If that had caused the shoes to "twist" (one heel of the shoe slightly higher than the other) and then they stayed that way for 7 weeks would that have created an imbalance and caused the heel contraction and deep sulcuses?

[Western Hill Forge]

Originally Posted by Rusti0183

Hey Rick, Gabino, everyone else, do you think her heels are uneven in any of the pics I posted? To me, in the pictures they look even, and when I sight down the bottom of her foot they are level with the toe. I thought I had the left front lateral heel too long but then looked at the hairline and they appear even. I think she's just standing funny in the heel picture. Anyhow. Since I took her heels down on Sunday and they de-contracted more, there has been very noticeable improvement in her sulcuses. Both have abundant new tissue growth and are shallower than they were 5 days ago. They even looked alot better today than they do in those "after" pictures, which I took Monday.

My question to Gabino was general, not specific to your horse. But since you asked, the heels on the left side of your photos look to be consistently a little bit higher. I might just be the camera angle. But it is not uncommon for a right hand farrier to have to lower the left side, after double checking. The difference in height in your photos, if there is a difference, would not seem to me to be sufficient to cause the problem we are discussing. I could be wrong. That's why I asked Gabino for further explanation. I'm guessing he knows/sees something I don't. Have I missed something?

Regards

[Western Hill Forge]

Originally Posted by Rusti0183

To be honest I'm really not sure. She wore the last set of shoes 7 weeks (per farrier's recommendation) and during that time her heels had contracted. She didn't ever seem thrushy to me though, I was picking her feet out every day. Then a few days after the shoes were pulled I noticed how deep the sulcuses had become. When the farrier put the shoes on her he had them nailed all the way on (6 nails per shoe, 3 nails per side) and then hit the shoes' heels with a hammer to, as he said, "close them up more". He did this by holding a block against the outside of one heel, and hitting the other heel with the hammer. (Seems to me that's something that should have been addressed when he was shaping the shoe, before any nails were ever driven.) If that had caused the shoes to "twist" (one heel of the shoe slightly higher than the other) and then they stayed that way for 7 weeks would that have created an imbalance and caused the heel contraction and deep sulcuses?

I have seen this done once. TOTALLY disagree with the practice.

Regards

[Rusti0183]

I am guilty of being right-handed but because of that I double and triple check heels in hand and on the ground and rarely catch myself goofing up with one side longer. The angle on the "after" pics are a tiny bit off because I took them with my cell phone and it wouldn't let me take a completely level picture because of some buttons on the side of the phone.

I ordered her a pair of Easyboot Epics today. I had tried a Glove fit kit and her feet are too round for them. I saw that Easycare makes some sole pad inserts for the Epics...a pair is only 10 bucks so I'm thinking about getting them. Sound like a wise investment? I figure the most she'll be wearing the boots is 3 days a week, possibly 6 hours max per ride, but average is 2 to 3 hours.

[Gabino]

Originally Posted by Western Hill Forge

I have seen this done once. TOTALLY disagree with the practice.

Regards

This practice can be sufficient for cause pain in the foot.

Martin Deacon and Gail Williams describe in their book "No foot, no horse" one syndrome named "Heels cracked". The connective tissue inter heels is cracking when the heels run independently. This crack explain the deep sulcus medial of the frog. The bacteria and fungus are oportunist,the infection is a secondary issue.

In your pics, we can see the medial heel is more elevated.It's no much, but enough for realize the "scisors movement".

[Rusti0183]

Originally Posted by Gabino

This practice can be sufficient for cause pain in the foot.

Martin Deacon and Gail Williams describe in their book "No foot, no horse" one syndrome named "Heels cracked". The connective tissue inter heels is cracking when the heels run independently. This crack explain the deep sulcus medial of the frog. The bacteria and fungus are oportunist,the infection is a secondary issue.

In your pics, we can see the medial heel is more elevated.It's no much, but enough for realize the "scisors movement".

I figured from the moment he did it that it wasn't good for her feet but I kept my mouth shut. One of those "too late now" moments. I'll try to get new pics of her feet this week...things are looking better every day, boots should be here this week too.

[Jason RoTramel]

If your still looking for a new Farrier, try checking out the Oklahoma Farriers Association's website. http://okfarriers.com/3.html The guys I have met at their events seem very knowledgeable and competent. I am in OKC every other week, but that is a bit far. LOL