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[Thomas_Ride&Drive]

Now that's not very ladylike!

And what a waste of drink!!

[irishcas]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Ride&Drive

Now that's not very ladylike!

And what a waste of drink!!

Ladylike - me, little ole me

How soon before Ace takes down the picture and puts up the correct one?

[Thomas_Ride&Drive]

I know what you mean. It's kept me amused for a long time hearing all that twaddle and lecturing on sugar beet when there's a photo of a beetroot up for all to see.

[Rick Burten]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Ride&Drive

You show beetroot! Totally different thing. VERY nice pickled and to eat with a salad.

Eastern European immigrants to the US brought along many recipes that used beets(beetroot) as a staple. I grew up finding many excuses not to eat borscht, and to this day, to the dismay of my father and grandfather, have never partaken of it.

Rick

[Inyureye]

May I respectfully ask why Ace is allowed to post advice on this BB? I read here alot for the instruction about hooves and shoeing etc, but don't have a need at this time to make posts, but I thought this board was for farriers only to post advice. I've encountered Ace in many places on the internet, and her advice is suspect at best, and particularly ill-informed and often dangerous. And she is most assuredly NOT a farrier, so why is she allowed to post here? Just wondering. Its a bit disconcerting.

[Cyber Farrier]

Way back in the mists of time, she was granted special dispensation. It's plowed ground. Learn to be discerning and it will no linger "disconcert" you.

Baron Tayler

[Inyureye]

Thanks for your reply.

[DavidinGA]

Originally Posted by Inyureye

May I respectfully ask why Ace is allowed to post advice on this BB? I read here alot for the instruction about hooves and shoeing etc, but don't have a need at this time to make posts, but I thought this board was for farriers only to post advice. I've encountered Ace in many places on the internet, and her advice is suspect at best, and particularly ill-informed and often dangerous. And she is most assuredly NOT a farrier, so why is she allowed to post here? Just wondering. Its a bit disconcerting.

Actually, I've found her posts to be informed at least if not always informative. Like anyone she has some opinions that other people don't agree with. Also, even if she's not always been a farrier she is gravitating that way, just the other day she admitted to using eponas (even though she seems to think they don't have any metal in them) and no one can dispute that she is a hoof care professional. She has clients who pay her to maintain their horses' hooves. Not to pick a fight but for some one who is here to learn you seem to have a lot of negative opinions of our members. Case and point ( other than this post) is that you posted in the thread where I asked for opinions about my wife's horse passing out that "people should not guess at causes of illness on an internet forum" even though that is specifically what I asked for. As I said I'm not trying to pick a fight with you I just thought I would point out that your negativity will not encourage a helpful attitude from the members here.

Hope this helps
David

[Auventera]

David - the Eponas have a steel stiffener running down both branches of the shoe. And ocassionally carbide tips. And yes, I've been applying Epona shoes to my own horses. A new shipment of shoes and materials is probably waiting for me at home when I arrive there this evening. I feel the Epona is a good place for me to start because it is a relatively forgiving shoe, as I work through the learning curve. I appreciate having this board to gather information from and to discuss ideas with the farriers who are always informative and knowledgeable. I have a couple of great resources here at home as well, and the culmination of those professionals plus the ones here is beneficial.

Thomas/Kim - please pardon me for linking to the wrong photograph on my site. It's a huge site, tons of stuff going on, lots of pages to update. Simple mistake. Be professional, send me an email or a PM pointing it out, and move on.

Inyureye - you're welcome to your opinion! I have no clue who you are and don't care. You are posting anonymously, apparently trying to stir up trouble. Baron reads my posts the same as anyone else, and if I were posting dangerous or ill-informed advice, I'm sure that my posting privileges would be cut short. I am always open to correction and to learning, and if I post something that is incorrect, please do point it out and I will make an effort to expand my knowledge base. So far in your time here, I have not noticed where you have corrected any dangerous advice I have supposedly given, so I'll take your comment with the grain of salt it is worth.

"Many places on the internet" is probably an exageration seeing how I post only here, used to post on the chronicle forum, and once in a great rare ocassion post a message on the john lyons board. I do not belong to any other horse or hoof care boards, that I am aware of. I posted on one other forum I can't recall the name of, one time when I needed to correct something someone had posted. To my knowledge, that's the only places I am on the internet. I discontinued posting on the chronicle board because the tone there has gone down the toilet drain. I don't wish to be associated with that type of negativity any longer. It's unfortunate that you saw fit to follow me here and continue the attacking.

And for the record, I would appreciate if you and Kim would rightfully refer to me by my given name, which is Vickey. If you can't see fit to do that, then the screen name Auventera will do. Thank you!

[Ronald Aalders]

Originally Posted by Katy Watts

http://www.safergrass.org/pdf/LaminitisDefense.pdf

a vet who has specialized in laminitis and gone to all the conferences for 40 years.

Katy Watts

Did he pick up on anything?


Ronald Aalders

[Ronald Aalders]

Originally Posted by Auventera

Thomas/Kim - please pardon me for linking to the wrong photograph on my site. It's a huge site, tons of stuff going on, lots of pages to update. Simple mistake. Be professional, send me an email or a PM pointing it out, and move on.

I'm not sure what you think being professional is all about. But where I come from it's not about hush and not tell. It's about being well informed on that field of choice, it's about thinking before doing, it's about not biting off more than you can chew.

It is NOT about complaining about vets not understanding while at the same time making such mistakes.

So ok, fine, let's talk horses and their feet.


Ronald Aalders

[Thomas_Ride&Drive]

Originally Posted by Auventera

Thomas/Kim - please pardon me for linking to the wrong photograph on my site. It's a huge site, tons of stuff going on, lots of pages to update. Simple mistake. Be professional, send me an email or a PM pointing it out, and move on.

Sorry I totally missed this little comment to me until someone drew my attention to it. I'd just not noticed it buried away in the forums rather than directly to me via pm or email

In my world professional when it comes to forums is about posting within your area of competence and qualification and being paid to get it right. Professional is about ensuring that amateurs and those seeking knowledge are given correct advice and information. It's about acknowledging the expertise of other PROFESSIONALS

You go on about bad farriers and bad trainers and bad vets on this and numerous other forums and you've decided to set yourself up as some sort of guru on all things equine.

You've frothed on about sugarbeets, demonstrating your lack of knowledge for some time. In fact I have corrected you on here and other forums when you've posted incorrectly about it.

However, in my professional opinion, you've continued to post on the basis of your minimal personal experience. Time though that others knew that your experience is severely limited!

Inyureye - you're welcome to your opinion! I have no clue who you are and don't care. You are posting anonymously, apparently trying to stir up trouble. Baron reads my posts the same as anyone else, and if I were posting dangerous or ill-informed advice, I'm sure that my posting privileges would be cut short.

In fact Baron allows you to post just as anyone else who is an owner would post. So that means you're contained to just the same as any other owner to not posting on the Farriers helping Farriers posts. I note that Baron clearly issued a "warning" that those who read your posts need to be discerning so they don't get disconcerted.

I am always open to correction and to learning, and if I post something that is incorrect, please do point it out and I will make an effort to expand my knowledge base.

Now that made me spill my tea!

I've frequently posted to correct your incorrect advice and for sure you make an effort! But on the basis of my experience, I can't say it's to expand your knowledge base!

If it were, then you wouldn't have a photo of a beetroot up on your site when it's sugar beet that you always go on and on and on about.

"Many places on the internet" is probably an exaggeration seeing how I post only here, used to post on the chronicle forum, and once in a great rare occasion post a message on the john lyons board. I do not belong to any other horse or hoof care boards, that I am aware of.

mmm....... what were the ones you got banned from?

Now back to advice on managing equines and footcare and diet when it's relevent. . . . . . .

[Auventera]

I typed a response here but deleted. The forums don't deserve this type of childish bickering. I'm sorry that you got so offended that a link was incorrect on my website. It happens. It's a huge site, there's a lot of stuff going on. I don't review every page every day checking every link. I've corrected the link so I hope you can sleep easy at night now Thomas. In the future if you find an incorrect link, please feel free to call my cell phone or home number, which are both listed on the website. I will be happy to go over it with you. I understand you're in the UK and that the call will be expensive, but I'm sure you will find it well worth it. Thanks!

I am now off to trim 5 horses, 2 of which are foundered, now eat soaked beet pulp and soaked hay and are doing significantly better. Beet pulp is a wonderful feed for metabolic horses. I recommend it to anyone wanting to reduce sugar in the horse's diet.

[mwmyersdvm]

Just a note on the nutrition of laminitic horses. It is unfortunate that so many of these horses are malnousished when they begin the inflammatory responses of the laminae. These damaged tissues need correct nutrition for repair. This comes in the form of appropriate amounts of protein containing essential amino acids in order to reconstruct. This cannot be provided by beet pulp and hay alone. A correctly fed protein supplement will make a dramatic difference in the recovery of these animals.

M. W. Myers, D.V.M.

[Ronald Aalders]

Originally Posted by Auventera

I am now off to trim 5 horses, 2 of which are foundered, now eat soaked beet pulp and soaked hay and are doing significantly better. Beet pulp is a wonderful feed for metabolic horses. I recommend it to anyone wanting to reduce sugar in the horse's diet.

Are you really really sure that's what been fed to those horses? Beet pulp?

Ronald Aalders