<![CDATA[The Farrier & Hoofcare Resource Center Forums - Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum]]> http://www.horseshoes.com/forums en Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:20:30 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/images/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[The Farrier & Hoofcare Resource Center Forums - Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum]]> http://www.horseshoes.com/forums Just an idea http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12864&goto=newpost Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:27:41 GMT As a Test Why Not shoe One Horse with say two Systems ,say Steel horseshoes and plastic/combi Type shoes With no Dogma just to See how they hold up ,and if any Change in the hoof capsule can Be Seen? As a Test Why Not shoe One Horse with say two Systems ,say Steel horseshoes and plastic/combi Type shoes
With no Dogma just to See how they hold up ,and if any Change in the hoof capsule can Be Seen? ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Ray_Knightley http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12864 Who would you want to see? http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12859&goto=newpost Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:28:12 GMT If you could bring in any clinician from America who would it be and why? What do you guys want to see and expect at a clinic? Do you prefer to see more then one clinician in a day? What is important in your area Just looking for some new ideas If you could bring in any clinician from America who would it be and why? What do you guys want to see and expect at a clinic? Do you prefer to see more then one clinician in a day? What is important in your area Just looking for some new ideas ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum clearthinkingone http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12859 New Zealand http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12858&goto=newpost Sun, 05 Sep 2010 01:29:22 GMT How are our mates in NZ doing after the quake? How are our mates in NZ doing after the quake? ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Bill Adams http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12858 Road shoeing/Concussion http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12843&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:34:41 GMT I am shoeing a few Modern Shetland ponies that are being conditioned on the gravel and roads, and are worked any where from 2-6 miles, 2-4 times a week, depending on the idividual. What if anything could you all reccomend for these ponies. Traction and wear have not been a problem, but they are all... I am shoeing a few Modern Shetland ponies that are being conditioned on the gravel and roads, and are worked any where from 2-6 miles, 2-4 times a week, depending on the idividual. What if anything could you all reccomend for these ponies. Traction and wear have not been a problem, but they are all young (under 4) and we would like to do all we can to keep them sound for as long as possible. The current packages are as followes: Fronts are an even weight with a small wedge and one leather, Hinds are even weights with trailers and one leather pad. All are packed with Forshners right now, will be using Sil-pak on the next set. Thanx in advance for your wisdom and advice. ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum C Miller http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12843 Mechanical founder--Ranch horse http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12839&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:40:33 GMT Image: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/akdana/IMG_6465.jpg Image: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/akdana/IMG_6466.jpg Image: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/akdana/IMG_6473.jpg Image: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/akdana/IMG_6474.jpg





]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Horshure http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12839 Competeing against clients? http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12836&goto=newpost Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:02:51 GMT How many of you show/compete against your clients?

I was in one of my gaited show barns a few months ago and just fell in love with this horse. Actually kind of a pain to shoe, but he's just an extremely talented and personable kind of horse. He was supposed to be a new show horse for the trainers wife, bit he's just too much horse for her.

Anyhow so fast forward to now, I practically stole this horse. I'm keeping him boarded in the barn I bought him from, and will be showing him under their banner.

Fortunately this horse has enough talent and I can get enough out of him to show in classes where my only current competition is well outside my service area. (save one horse outside the barn I'm in) ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Joey Aczon http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12836 The effect of clips http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12817&goto=newpost Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:02:39 GMT In the current issue of Professional Farrier magazine (volume 87 number2) there is an article about "the effect of clips" (pp46-49) in which the author states:

"One of the distinct advantages of a toe clip is that is does not interfere with expansion in an adverse manner, while quarter clips and side clips will inhibit expansion where placed."

Although this statement is made as though it were a fact, I find it to be a statement of opinion that is not supported or substantiated in any scientific/demonstrable manner.

The wall at the toe is attached to the coffin bone in the same manner as it is attached at the toe quarters and sides(at or infront of the Widest part of the hoof) and it is because of this connection the there is little to no expansion at the base of the hoof in those areas. For if there were expansion in those areas, the white line would disinterdigitate and create a pathologic condition for the hoof. That said, there is indeed demonstrable expansion of the capsule at the coronary level whether the hoof is shod or unshod and if shod, clipped in any manner, or not,

Later in the article the author attempts to clarify his hypothesis by stating that the location of the clip(s) will influence whether or not expansion is inhibited. And I have no quarrel with that statement. However, it comes much later in the article after the author has stated with conviction, the [assumed] negative impact of side/quarter clips. The conundrum arises because the reader may not fully recognize this 'disconnect' and may then begin to espouse a conviction that quarter/side clips are a 'bad thing'. If said conviction is made in the presence of horse owners or others who have no basis for comparison, and if the person making the statement enjoys credibility among those to whom s/he is speaking, then the opinion passes into the realm of 'fact' and is repeated until it becomes the 'stuff of legend'.

It is precisely these kinds of statements by [assumed] professionals that do so much damage because they are believed but not substantiated by those who lack knowledge and often, the ability to perform critical analysis and thinking. YMMV ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Rick Burten http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12817 funny race call http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12816&goto=newpost Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:00:34 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSmprqptSk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSmprqptSk ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum dave murray http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12816 tendon relaxing drugs http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12812&goto=newpost Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:55:19 GMT Hi, does anyone know of tendon relaxing drugs. Ones that can be used on badly cluby newborns. If there exist, how well do they work? regards Michael. Hi, does anyone know of tendon relaxing drugs. Ones that can be used on badly cluby newborns. If there exist, how well do they work?

regards Michael. ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Michael Mackie http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12812 Shoeing critique and some advice please http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12811&goto=newpost Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:55:45 GMT Hi all,
This is a new job I did today which I'd like some feedback on and also some advice. The photos aren't great I'm sorry, and I didn't get a solar view. The fronts were very long in the toe so I have tried to get the break-over back with putting a slight roll into the shoe between the 1st and 2nd nail hole which is not visible from the pics in that rocky ground. This is the first time I have done this so I'm hoping I did OK. How can I improve it?

She is a 14hh, 20 yo arab mare who is one of those lucky few that have been in the same, stable, knowledgable home her whole life, no issues and well behaved, lightly ridden. She stood well while I trimmed all round then shod the fronts, then when it came to the hinds she was terrible. So frustrating as another 10 minutes and I'd have been finished.

When I was trimming the hinds earlier I noted to the owner that she was tight in her tendons and not wanting to bring the foot forward onto the stand but she was OK to put them out the back. This she refused to do when I went to put shoes on. I noticed too that in soft footing the toe of the hinds would sink in at a 45 degree angle.

Doing the hinds did co-inside with the owner leaving briefly which you would think may be just playing up, but things did not improve when she returned and the horse got so stroppy neither her nor I couldn't get near her hinds. I couldn't get the last shoe on without risking bodily injury - nor could I get the first (hind) shoe off to match the unshod one! I'm going back in the morning to rectify this (I hope).

Could my shoeing have induced this pain? I say pain because in my experience a horse doesn't behave that way without there being a cause. Could there be a latent problem that had not been noticed until unlucky me arrived?? (hock/stifle/tendon) I'm stumped as to why she was OK, then so adamantly not OK with getting the job finished. I have never had this happen before. Would so love some advice, it would seem such an easy job and I get to thinking 'Why me!?'.
The photos are out of order and I don't know how to put captions on them. I'll try to post a reply with captions.




]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Rachael Kane http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12811 Phil Armitage quit shoeing yesterday! Lets talk him out of this! http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12808&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:48:58 GMT Just got off the cell phone with Eric Russell who informs me that Phil has QUIT SHOEING!!!!! Yep he called eric on his cell and monday was his last day shoeing. The connection was not good so I was unable to find out from eric why phil has quit. I am starting this thread so we can convince phil... Just got off the cell phone with Eric Russell who informs me that Phil has QUIT SHOEING!!!!!

Yep he called eric on his cell and monday was his last day shoeing. The connection was not good so I was unable to find out from eric why phil has quit.

I am starting this thread so we can convince phil to keep on shoeing. So phil unless its for some chronic injury or something why after all this effort to learn have you decided to quit shoeing. ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Dances with Hooves http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12808 The tail Hair Grinder Trim! http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12807&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:22:39 GMT I would be un happy if the tail hair got hooked up in this trim.....
Our sound is down on our Pc so I could not hear what the guy was talking about..
What do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cayc...eature=related ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum Ray_Knightley http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12807 Leather frog support? http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12806&goto=newpost Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:07:58 GMT Reading through older posts a while back I saw someone comment on using leather to make a frog support in a show package. I have the chance to try this in a few days and was wondering what the opinion of the masses is on this one and if any of you with more experiance than I have tried this and how... Reading through older posts a while back I saw someone comment on using leather to make a frog support in a show package. I have the chance to try this in a few days and was wondering what the opinion of the masses is on this one and if any of you with more experiance than I have tried this and how you went about it. Thanks in advance for your knowledge and advice. ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum C Miller http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12806 Advice... http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12800&goto=newpost Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:04:01 GMT Im dealing with a very large Belgian who has foundered in one foot last spring (thats how he arived at his current home). Is thought to have been mechanical founder from pulling. I shod him and had him doing alright. Owners wanted to try barefoot after the horse had been sound for months. I did so... Im dealing with a very large Belgian who has foundered in one foot last spring (thats how he arived at his current home). Is thought to have been mechanical founder from pulling. I shod him and had him doing alright. Owners wanted to try barefoot after the horse had been sound for months. I did so a bit reluctantly. Got a call a couple weeks later, he was very sore. His hoof wall was far above the sole and large valley emerged where the whiteline should have been. I tired nailing on a shoe, but no matter the placement since there was zero hoof wall for it to rest upon it was causing so much sole pressure the horse was very very sore. I replaced it with a plywood glog and impression material figuring i could spread out the weight. The horse still appeared sore after the initial 'clogging'. He did look better though. Clog lasted about 1 week till he tossed the shoe. The current owners keep the horse on turnout all day with several other horses. getting them to keep him has been a serious task, and is why I havent used any vettec or the like to rebuild the foot as he lives in the mud. I think I can get the point across about keeping him in, but does anyone have any suggestions at how to approach this foot. This one is a very frustrating case.

I was considering packing the bottom of the foot with soft IM, medium in the back half and wrapping it with fiberglass casting material, like equicast. They have a guy who works there that trims most of the horses and he could probably maintain this package between visits as its kind of out of my way.




-josh ]]> Farriers Helping Farriers: General Discussion Forum SlowShoe http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12800 <![CDATA[Midas Van 't Hooge Holt]]> http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12790&goto=newpost Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:51:07 GMT I'm proud to present to y'all: Midas van 't Hooge Holt! Barn name: Kwibus, which in Dutch means the same thing as in English, absolutely nothing but my wife liked that name for our new dog.

Kwibus is a Friese Stabij, a not too common breed that originates from the Northern parts of Holland and dates back to the 1800's.


Ronald Aalders
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