is this a good shoeing job?

[ThrillGirl]

is this a good shoeing job? ? i thought there wasn't enough heel support ......and I thought the shoe looked too small......and then someone told me they weren't set right.???? i am just an owner and no way an expert


http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C7%3B435ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C79%3A%3A%3Aot1lsi

and What is this HEEL CUT/RASP thing he did?? it is on each side of both the front feet.......and i was worried he didn;t leave enough heel exspansion

http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C7%3B%3B%3C%3Bot1lsi

[ThrillGirl]

http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C7%3B3%3C4ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C7%3B262ot1lsi

http://images.snapfish.com/3439%3A49523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E2345%3D4%3A8%3D%3A33 %3DXROQDF%3E2323839%3C7%3A785ot1lsi

Tell me if you need any other hoof angles.... thanks in advance :)

[Phil Armitage]

How long has it been since this was done? Horn is nice and straight, no flares. Frog appears to be in good shape. Right front looks out of balance heels look long. Left foot looks closer to balanced by useing the widest part of the foot and tip of the frog as a reference. Nailing looks decent, shoe fit looks decent. I think I got my left and right correct as long as the photos are correct.

[ThrillGirl]

they were only on for like 3 weeks or so in that photo he was barefoot for about 1 and 1/2 years but then we moved to somewhere with bigger stones and i was going to trial ride and the trails were really rocky and hard and he was tender on the stones so everyone said he needed shoes .. uh oh i got couple of the pictures mixed up.....i will fix them.... OK they are fixed! sorry for the trouble.

[Red Amor]

I would like to see the horse stood up a little more ,
I feel the hoof a little long heels and toe
the pastern axis looks slightly broken back
the shoe maybe next sise up
the rasped heels to me look like hes tried to hide or descise the fact that the shoes were a sise to small or not set back far enough
just what I see
am I wrong , happy to hear your comment , thanks

[ThrillGirl]

thanx :) anyone else?

[Peggy Dolan]

Thrill,
Have you talked this over with your farrier? I would not want someone to critque my work without an opportunity to explain my reasoning. Sometimes what I see in a foot when I shoe is different from what you see even three weeks later.
Having said that, I would run the shoe back, giving the heels more support and expansion. It looks as if the foot is long all around. If you trim to the live plane of the sole, then the foot is what the foot is, if not, more can come off.

[IRNWKR_2]

I can definatley tell you this is not a bad shoeing job. I think you can nit pick any shoeing job especially after 3 weeks.

[ThrillGirl]

well the reason i was concerned was that my vet said that the shoes should extend back more to suport the heel, and that more expansion room was needed, and maybe a bigger shoe....Yes i talked to my farrier....i told him all my concerns and all he said was....the shoes are ok...didn;t really give me and detailed answer..but i ASKED him if he could extend the shoe a little farther back if he could...and maybe make a little more exspansion room * note that i asked him i did not tell him* he didn;t say anythnig to me...so i just let it go....and then right after he shod him i looked at the bottom of my horses feet...and i noticed that.. there was already hoof growing over the one side of the shoe and the heel rasps were there too... but i ddin;t say anythng to him..for the fear that he might get mad at me ... Dillon grows really slow ....so when i took those pictures that is what the shoing job looked like when it was first done....the farrier said that he probably only needed his feet trimmed and reshod every 8 weeks or so that is why i asked

[Gary_Miller]

I am just a rookie, but by looking at the center of the toe the shoe looks caulked to one side. It looks as if two small of a shoe was used and the farrier lined the shoe over one heel properly but it doesn't completely reach far enough on the other side.

My bet is that the shoer is right handed as the properly lined up heel is on the right side of the foot. The side where a right handed shoer would drive the first nail.

I also think the heels are a little long, and that rasp cut on the heel shows a sign of lazyness and poor craftsmanship.



Peggy
Once you trim a foot or nail on a shoe you craftsmanship is open for critque by anyone. Just like the carpenter who made your kitchen table. So you better do it right the first time and all the time. I know, I know thats not always possable. But thats what you better strive for.



This is just reminds me of the other day. A friend of mine asked me what I thought about the shoe job on his horse. This job was done by a highly tought of farrier in town. My friends been using him for awhile and has no plans on changing but just wanted to know. The Farrier had dubbed the toe on all for feet. At first glance I thought it was a NB shoe job done in correctly.

At a closer he had applied square toe shoes on all for feet and dubbed the foot to fit the square. All the knowledge I have says that set the squire toe shoe back you only round the toe to prevent chipping, not dubbed off.

The owner says that the horse has never had any forging or breakover problems, and the farrier has always shod all his horses this way.

I think this is poor craftsmanship and the improper use of a shoeing procedure.

This farrier has a nice rig and a full book, charges $20 cheaper than the other guys, and braggs of doing 10 shoe jobs a day. So now I have to think is all his business because of his price and popularity or because of his skill.

I leave it at that.

Gary

[Peggy Dolan]

Gary, All good points and well taken.
As for the rasping of the heel, I will sometimes rasp a V into the heel so that you can clean the frogs easier, not to mask a short shoe. I'm more likely to have too much shoe than not enough.. :cool:

[Just Shoe It]

Its kinda funny how easy it is to pick on other peoples work. Frist of all is the horse sound? Is he growing foot faster than hes wearing it? The pics show a petty decent foot. So yes this is a good shoeing job. With that said it would be nice to be a fly on the wall in many barns to watch horses get shoed, but flies dont talk either, so well never know. Ive seen horses shoed by some of the best in the country maybe even the world, put them all under one roof and the horse will have four different feet! Ive seen to many horses with corrective shoeing versus correct shoeing, and dubbed off horn istead of a dubbed toe. A size 1 foot with a 3 "fitted for expasion" leaving groves worn in the shoe that a gold fish could live in, all because thats what that paticullar farrier belives.

I have never added to a post, but i love that we as farriers have this outlet, I know that the orriginal question was is this a good shoeing job, but how can any of us really answer that other than her farrier. Im sure he had reasons for doing what he did, maybe unable to put in words why, "weve all been there" its sad to see this forum go to judging the work of our peers instede of furthing the knowledge.

[Red Amor]

G'Day Guys

Just shoe it , mate how are ya

To me you read to be a fair and just sort O BLOKE and thanks for your post , you said its your first , so I hope its not your last , welcome

I realy dont think anyone has said anything denergrating as to the job in question
We .I have just put forward fairly I recon some of our /my thoughts and questions on what we see and think of the information in script and photos

I set a photo of some of my work on here some months ago and the guys were good enough to comment on the job , very much the same as whitnessed here
Their considered critque has since served me well and I wouldnt hesitate to post more photos to ask for help again
haveing said that
Fair enough the Farrier in question didnt post these photos or ask the question , and although remaining anomous to most of us , but for the origonal poster and maybe some close to her /him but still the guy may feel hard done by

I do understand where your comming from


I think that you last few lines in your post arnt quite right

I think and am very greatfull that our education in Farriery and the betterment of horse hoof care , for all of us in these posts is parromount in the minds of everyone that posts on these forums
We do do a fair bit of friendly shyacking and stiring but not bagging

I will always welcome polite considered informed critque given in the spirit usually exhibited on these forums

I would love to know the reason for the scarfing of the heels on the hoof
Ive not seen if done quite like this before
I have stated my thoughts but truley didnt intend to admonish the chap in anyway

[Gary_Miller]

Just shoe it

If you only knew the kind of knowledge I have gained from these type posts where ones work is critiqued. It is very help full for me as a new guy to hear whats good and whats bad in the pictures posted here.

I usually don't post on these type of threads because I don't kow enough. I decided to on this one so I could see if my obsevation was correct helps me in learning to read the hoof. I can only guess that I was correct as no one has corrected my findings yet.

Gary

[ThrillGirl]

Yes my horse is perfectly sound... no he isn;t growing fast than he is wearing it..my farrier said he grows slow ...ther first time he even looked at him..and i think that is why he has long heels...and a little longer toe.. ( i thought he always grew pretty fast like every5 weeks ) today i looked at the horses at the barn that he shoes ( i should have did that befoe i got him) all the horses feet have contraction, and long toes....and i noticed after my horse was shod..he was getting fluid in his fetlock joints, and was stiff, there are some things i like about how he shoed, and some things i was worried about.. my vet said that there wasn;t enough heel of the shoes extended and and that there should be more exspansion room, and that there was undue sole pressure at the toe..... and i noticed that my horse didn;t move quite so well while he was shod, he seemed dull,sluggish, and like he was short striding....but in NO WAY! am i saying he is the worst farrier on earth or anything like that.... but i did notice a counter productive change in my horse while the shoes were on....my farrier took the shoes off today for a couple of days cause, because a family emergency came up he had to go quickley until he had time to come back.....he trimmed them and everything....and i took some pictures of him being barefoot..( but i will refrain from posting them cause i don;t want to cause any trouble). i would think most farriers like the horse owners to be interested in how there horse are being shod and trimmed and if thay are being shod right and properly for that horse.

P.S when those pictures were taking....that is the FIRST time in 2 years that he had shoes on since i had him, so any deformity might not have been visable yet since the shoes were on such a short time

this is a respectful post and i am in no way tring to be mean :D

[Just Shoe It]

Baron, imglad to see this went to this section.

I was'nt trying to down anyone for dowing the shoeing job I was just expressing my look on things, I think this is a great outlet and place to learn. Im proud of it Farriers for the people!

If the farrier had asked for the opion I would have added my nickles worth as well.

After reading the posts after mine the picture showing the heel COULD be a floated heel. Just a thought.

Thanks for everyones time if I get more I hope to voice more!