Spavin shoes - lateral extentions

[red_hush21]

Can someone make me a pair of spavin shoes ?
I will paypal you the $ and show them off here if you allow me !

Side clipped, out of a regular size 2 hind shoe.
Lateral extentions, roller toes.

My farrier does not make shoes, and i can't find a factory one.
Taking offers :D

[Jake Whitman]

Can someone make me a pair of spavin shoes ?
I will paypal you the $ and show them off here if you allow me !

Side clipped, out of a regular size 2 hind shoe.
Lateral extentions, roller toes.

My farrier does not make shoes, and i can't find a factory one.
Taking offers :DI would love ,to, But your past posts , tells me ,that it would be another ,quick-fix! And You would be on to the next, best ,off -the shelf ,fix -it shoe that will cure ,all of your problems. You should stick to a farrier that can keep up with your ,next Whimsy.

[Jake Whitman]

You have went through - at -least 10 -different ,shoes, to make your horse sound, BIG-RED -FLAG , to me!! I personally don't think anything will be right- to you, untill, you are taking -care -of your hoof-care ,needs, yourself.

[Jake Whitman]

You cannot posibally, afford a well -made, hand-made,pair of Spavin- Shoes!!

[Rightstep]

I second learning to trim/shoe your horse yourself. There are two dissection clinics coming up in your area and that would be a good way for you to learn mechanics of the inside of a hoof (to be better educated on what could help). There are also some good two/three week courses that would show you how to trim and apply shoes (NB has a great one from what I hear) yourself. You could also go further and go to farrier school to learn to forge your own shoes if you want to invest in that.

Guessing at what shoes would work-very dangerous but changing your horses trim/shoes/pads this many times in one month on the advise of people online who have not even touched your horsewill cause irreversible damage to your horse. I hope you see that.

Your horse needs time...not new shoes.

[red_hush21]

You cannot posibally, afford a well -made, hand-made,pair of Spavin- Shoes!! how much ?

[red_hush21]

Guys, are you reading my post ??? I said HIND shoes.... She is very much due on the hind.

My current farrier does not make shoes and he agreed i should find a pair and he will set them on.

How is it that wrong ?

Come on people ! Jake - others have offered to make shoes for me so if you do not want to do it, that's ok.
No need to get nasty with me.

[Rick Burten]

Why does the horse now need Spavin shoes/Lateral Extension shoes behind?

Do you want a lateral toe extension only, or the lateral branch with extension?

[red_hush21]

She has low grade spavins in her hocks and was injected with cortisone a fiew months back.

Vet suggested wider lateral branches on the outside.

She was shod once with a boxed/rolled toe & trailers.
He advised lateral extentions don't alter the hoof flight as much and offer support instead of a simple gait correction.

[Gary Hill]

What size?:cool:

[Ronald Aalders]

Do you want the lateral branch forged out, if so do you want the taper at the foot side or the ground side? Or do you want to extend the branch by fullering it? That would provide more traction but do you want that? Or do you just want to add a trailer to the shoe? Should that be a straight trailer or one bend laterally?

What about rolling the medial toe instead of extending the lateral branch?

By the way did you check whether or not the hinds are straight? Chances are the hind feet supinate. That needs to be corrected and may well be all you have to do.......


Ronald Aalders

[handandhammer]

do you want spavin shoes or do you want lateral extentions. have you ever seen a spaven shoe. I may be missing something here?

[red_hush21]

Do you want the lateral branch forged out, if so do you want the taper at the foot side or the ground side? Or do you want to extend the branch by fullering it? That would provide more traction but do you want that? Or do you just want to add a trailer to the shoe? Should that be a straight trailer or one bend laterally?

What about rolling the medial toe instead of extending the lateral branch?

By the way did you check whether or not the hinds are straight? Chances are the hind feet supinate. That needs to be corrected and may well be all you have to do.......


Ronald Aalders

Mr. Aalders, you are 100% right.
It is striking to me how you can see through my horse's case.

Her feet & hocks do supinate outwards on the '' push '' phase.
She is naturally toed out, more on the left leg and narrow based.

Her heels are now underrun though. These pictures date back in May when this mess with her fore feet started.


My vet advised to shoe her with rollers ( bananas ) on all 4 * if i could find someone local to do it * or a '' extention latérale '' wich translated to '' lateral fullered '' ??? Excuse my french.

I like the idea that the roller provides early but slow breakover so it does not alter the stride as much as a plain square toe.

What do you suggest i do ?

PS - Thank you so much for all your precious help. I have ordered the rollers and can't wait to put them on. Folks at grand circuit LOVED your idea with the 1/2 spider plate Jay.

[red_hush21]

do you want spavin shoes or do you want lateral extentions. have you ever seen a spaven shoe. I may be missing something here?

Here is wah i wanted to buy at first.
Those are made by Colleoni but are a B**** to order !!!

[red_hush21]

What size?:cool:

Size 2 & 3 for the fore if you feel like it !

[Auventera]

On another thread you just said you have this fabulous new farrier.....

So get him to make the shoes. That's what you pay the professional for. :rolleyes: If I were him I'd be pretty peed off that you're asking farriers on the other side of the country to make shoes for him and send them in the mail.

[Horsemaid]

My current farrier does not make shoes and he agreed i should find a pair and he will set them on.

How is it that wrong ?



It sounds like her farrier is OK with this plan.

[PerformanceHorseshoeing]

I'm not getting this, does not own a forge or not make handmades? Why not just modify a hind shoe to the specs needed in the forge?

[red_hush21]

Yup - he is great and OK with this.

He does not make shoes. He said to find them and he would fit/set them no problem. What i need falls under the '' custom '' or therapeutic and it's not easy to find for me or make for a farrier that does not make shoes.

And it's a great opportunity for the very nice farriers who wish to help to do so.

[red_hush21]

I'm not getting this, does not own a forge or not make handmades? Why not just modify a hind shoe to the specs needed in the forge?

Nick - not all farriers do hot shoeing.

[PerformanceHorseshoeing]

I'm not talking about hot shoeing. I'm talking about being about to simply modify a shoe in the forge. Does he not own a forge or just doesn't use it?

[red_hush21]

I'm not talking about hot shoeing. I'm talking about being about to simply modify a shoe in the forge. Does he not own a forge or just doesn't use it?
I don't know - i asked him if he could make some or if i should find them and he said it woudl be easier to find them. Big deal...

[Phil Armitage]

Hi Adele have your farrier look at these.

Kerchaert DF lateral support shoes.

http://www.spanishlake.com/shop.php?category=161

[red_hush21]

You have went through - at -least 10 -different ,shoes, to make your horse sound, BIG-RED -FLAG , to me!! I personally don't think anything will be right- to you, untill, you are taking -care -of your hoof-care ,needs, yourself.

No sir i have not been through 10 shoes and i really wish you would refrain from making irrelevant and unprofessional comments that might mislead others into thinking i am some sort of horse abuser/morron. :eek:

I have observated several shoeing options for her fore feet. That has been solved so far. Maybe this sounds to you like we actually shod he each time but no. I am picking your brains for ideas and looking for advice.

[red_hush21]

Hi Adele have your farrier look at these.

Kerchaert DF lateral support shoes.

http://www.spanishlake.com/shop.php?category=161

NICE ! Thank you Phill * farrier hugs *
Those are cheap too... You think this could work ?
She kicks a lot in her stall at lunch time ( even took the wall down once ! )
Would you rimpad it too ? She had contusions into the white line from kickin so much... ( people, don't jump on me saying she does that because she is unhappy and i should make her go barefoot and it would make it all better ok ... )

[Phil Armitage]

NICE ! Thank you Phill * farrier hugs *
Those are cheap too... You think this could work ?
She kicks a lot in her stall at lunch time ( even took the wall down once ! )
Would you rimpad it too ? Last time she has contusions into the white line from kicking.....

The only thing missing in these shoes is the rolled toe, easy fix by either hammering in the rolled toe or just use a hand grinder. Don't know if will work or not, but they are supportive on soft footing. Riding on hard footing is a different story though. Lateral support on hard surface could cause too much pressure into the lateral heels and quarters.

For the kicking you could safely hang rugged matts on the walls to absorb the kicks. This also deadens the sound of the kick. Some horses like to hear themselves make noise this might stop her from kicking at least protect her hind feet and legs.

[red_hush21]

The only thing missing in these shoes is the rolled toe, easy fix by either hammering in the rolled toe or just use a hand grinder. Don't know if will work or not, but they are supportive on soft footing. Riding on hard footing is a different story though. Lateral support on hard surface could cause too much pressure into the lateral heels and quarters.

For the kicking you could safely hang rugged matts on the walls to absorb the kicks. This also deadens the sound of the kick. Some horses like to hear themselves make noise this might stop her from kicking at least protect her hind feet and legs.

Yup - easy to roll the toes. We do sand, i am an arena girl.... no hard ground except at the walk.

Smart about the mats... i have the colorfull joyfull kids floor mats that might work just fine too.

A padded room for my horse, padded walls for me to bang my head on ?
Is that right Phill ? Are you telling me i am nutz ?!! :D

[Phil Armitage]

Yup - easy to roll the toes. We do sand, i am an arena girl.... no hard ground except at the walk.

Smart about the mats... i have the colorfull joyfull kids floor mats that might work just fine too.

A padded room for my horse, padded walls for me to bang my head on ?
Is that right Phill ? Are you telling me i am nutz ?!! :D

I like my helmet and padded room a lot. :D

[red_hush21]

Been there... am there.... what ? Who are you ?
How far is France anyways... !

A lame horse will drive you crazy, and when your professional horse people you thought you can rely on turn up to me morrons, it's stepping it up just one knotch.

[Ronald Aalders]

Here is wah i wanted to buy at first.
Those are made by Colleoni but are a B**** to order !!!


Colleoni makes a fine product and they are flexible and on top of any new devellopments. They're nice people too. However they run their shop with only a few people and delivery times are a pain.

Having said that, aluminum may not be what you are looking for. It will wear in two weeks tops on your horse.

Check for straightness. It looks like the lateral heels on both hinds a lower than the medial heels. Have your shoer check it.


Ronald Aalders

[khfs]

NICE ! Thank you Phill * farrier hugs *
Those are cheap too... You think this could work ?
She kicks a lot in her stall at lunch time ( even took the wall down once ! )
Would you rimpad it too ? She had contusions into the white line from kickin so much... ( people, don't jump on me saying she does that because she is unhappy and i should make her go barefoot and it would make it all better ok ... )

Have you tried kicking chains or shoes? Buy two dog collars, attach an 8" length of chain to it and put it around her hind pasterns. You'll have to punch holes in the collars to get them small enough. Or take a pair of old shoes, widen the toes so they'd fit around the cannons and put a sharp bend in the heals so it looks like a flattened letter C with the ends closer together.

I know a lady whose horse fractured a sesamoid in each fetlock by stall kicking.

[red_hush21]

I tried the chains, it ****es her off so badly she was angry with me for a week ! I'll try the padded walls...

[Jake Whitman]

Size 2 & 3 for the fore if you feel like it !You Still want those shoes ,for the front, in size 2 and 3? Have you decided on lateral - extentions, or Spavin shoes? May i suggest Dollar and Wheatley, book of shoes, that may keep you busy for a week. You really do have a - true - shoe fetish!! Ink and Anvil , has another great catalog for you to go through as well!

[red_hush21]

You Still want those shoes ,for the front, in size 2 and 3? Have you decided on lateral - extentions, or Spavin shoes? May i suggest Dollar and Wheatley, book of shoes, that may keep you busy for a week. You really do have a - true - shoe fetish!! Ink and Anvil , has another great catalog for you to go through as well!

It's hind shoes i need,,, Eric explained a spavin shoe is basically just a wedge shoe.
I would like for her legs to come under straighter and keep the feet & hocks from supinating so much.
She needs more float, less torque on her hocks and eased BO. Not sooner, but longer BO. Regular traction. We have a reining track. It's soft but the bottom is hard.

Maybe a full toe to heel fullered lateral extention that would be set tucked under - beveled on ground side ?
Rolled toe, side clips.

Can you make a flat solar side banana shoe for the fore in Alumi.?

What's your price ?

: )))

[Jake Whitman]

It's hind shoes i need,,, Eric explained a spavin shoe is basically just a wedge shoe. I need a full lateral extention - float or fullered and beveled on ground side. Rolled toe, side clips.

can you make a flat solar side banana shoe for the fore in Alumi.?

What's your price ?

: )))You need hind , lateral extention, shoes?? And Banana's on the Front? Me -NO -Savvy, the Bananas. -- Good Luck!

[red_hush21]

Yes i do !
I got the open roller from grand circuit. I hope it will fit.

[Jake Whitman]

Yes i do !
I got the open roller from grand circuit. I hope it will fit.Excellent, Please keep us all updated.

[Dances with Hooves]

Jake,

Have you connected with the new thing Gene and Dave Nichols are doing for hinds? This worked rather well on hind end issues at the Gene Clinic in VT this spring and I've been making this package up for horses with hind end issues and they seem to prefer it to anything else I've done to date.

Take a Victory standard NB Hind and heat it up in the forge. Forge in a roll way back to the 2nd nail hole while at the same time dragging the toe forward. The end result is a NB hind with the toe profile of the Scott Morrison Roller. Add in a NB wedge pad or similar pad and provide frog support.

[red_hush21]

Would you happen to have pictures of this ? This is VERY smart...

[Rick Burten]

Not to be a wet blanket here, but if your farrier can't forge a shoe, and quite possibly does not even own a forge, let alone know how to properly use it, then he is not going to be able to make the modifications to the shoe that George has suggested. Or , at least, not make them very well....... JMNTBCHO

[JimBondra]

Red try these,
St. Croix eventer plus hind shoes. Centaur Forge has pictures of them, they may be what you are looking for. They offer a wider lateral branch and have a roll in the toe. They can also be shaped easily cold. I know you have had a hard time finding a farrier. Not all race track farriers set up a truck for the country. Doesn't mean they aren't qualified.:)
As far as the kicking in the stall. Have the barn feeders feed your horse first;) sometimes the simple solutions are the best.
Jim

[PerformanceHorseshoeing]

Not to be a wet blanket here, but if your farrier can't forge a shoe, and quite possibly does not even own a forge, let alone know how to properly use it, then he is not going to be able to make the modifications to the shoe that George has suggested. Or , at least, not make them very well....... JMNTBCHO

Thank you! Thats what I was thinking. I guess to each is own.

[goeslikestink]

i dont get how a farrier cant do hot shoes, or forge them, you say he dont do it but can fit them,, how can he adjust the shoe to the horse if he doesnt know how to make them

that would mean more than likely that he will adjust the foot to fit the shoe
and thats not on-

sounds a bit off,

you need a farrier and a vet so they can work hand in hand to give your horse the best type of shoes for your horse
its unfair to ask, in my book-- unfair on your horse if you love your horse then do whats right for him


thats what makes good horse people understanding what needed for each horse as indidvuals and each foot, and doing right by them as they do right by us for without them we wouldnt be able to do what we like to do in our chosen dispiline -or enjoyment that they give us.

[red_hush21]

Thank you , i do have a good vet and farrier.

It's not because my farrier does not MAKE shoes out of bars stock that he sucks. He will shape them though. Geez,,,, give it a rest already. :eek:

I will try the Keg. Grand prix DF and we will shape-set them. I'm anxiously waiting to get the Banana shoes and we will do it all at once.

[red_hush21]

Ok people --- my farrier does not MAKE shoes.

He will shape-set them but will not handmake shoes.

Some are great at it, some stay out of it. We all have our strenghts and weakness.

I offered my farrier to buy some already made with the extentions, he said great go for it - since we will have to concentrate on the fore a lot.

I asked here since many of you are very skilled with the forge and some of you have already offered to make me some handmades. And, i coudl not find a shoe like i was looking for.

Can we put this aside now ?

[PerformanceHorseshoeing]

No one is talking about handmaking any shoe. We're talking about merely heating a store bought shoe and modifying it to the specs required.:cool:

[PerformanceHorseshoeing]

Okay. We're *not* talking about hot shoeing. What I'm saying is this, why doesn't he heat a shoe in the forge(we're not quite sure if he owns a forge), a store bought shoe like a kerk. sx8 or df, and modify it to the specs needed?

[red_hush21]

Yes- that is what we will do.
But i offered him to but a specialty shoe to save time and effort since we have so much work to do on the fore.

AND - I could'nt find a factory one until Phil showed the Keg. DF to me

[El_Scorcho]

red hush- I just recently started doing a little shoeing of my own. I'd be happy to attempt to make you a spavin shoe.

[red_hush21]

red hush- I just recently started doing a little shoeing of my own. I'd be happy to attempt to make you a spavin shoe.

Wow - go for it. And i am a saddle fitter. Specializes in dressage. I import high end saddles and do ergonomic studies of horse/rider team to find the best saddle.

[El_Scorcho]

I'll give it my best. What size is it? #2 did you say? What's that like a 5 1/4 x 5 1/2? Just a wild guess I have no idea.

[red_hush21]

I'll give it my best. What size is it? #2 did you say? What's that like a 5 1/4 x 5 1/2? Just a wild guess I have no idea.

Yup just about !

[El_Scorcho]

ok then! Are you sure you want a spavin shoe? A lateral extension is nothing like a spavin shoe. And a spavin shoe is gonna be a lot of work for my new power hammer.

[red_hush21]

Lateral extention yes - i was wrong in the spavin shoe.

[Rick Burten]

Adele, you have said that you and your farrier/vet team are focusing on the front end. Until you resolve the hind end issues, you will be less than successful in dealing with the front end issues. JMO, YMMV

[Phil Armitage]

ok then! Are you sure you want a spavin shoe? A lateral extension is nothing like a spavin shoe. And a spavin shoe is gonna be a lot of work for my new power hammer.

Watch your fingers rookie. :D

[fairweatherforge]

Maybe you need something like this for the hinds.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s86/fairweatherforge/handmades/lateralsupporthind002.jpg

How about this for the front.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s86/fairweatherforge/handmades/wcb004.jpg

[red_hush21]

Theses are nice sir. You are skilled ! The hinds look about right.
For the fore, i need a banana shoe and i have ordered several factory rollers ( tracme & Grand circuit - the Epona can also be made into a roller )