is this ok

[Red Amor]

Just a test to see if it get here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/Image715.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/Image708.jpg
I lowered the medial heel a tad to tidy up befor I fitted the shoe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/Image714.jpgThe blood on the toe prompted me to set the shoe under to try to help relieve stredding
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/89f71b1a.jpg Have I done the right thing for the horse , I recon maybe I should have given more out the back under the bulbs

all advise very welcome thankyou

[Bill Adams]

Red,
It's hard enough for me to judge a foot in my hands but pictures throw me way off.
I think your going in the right direction, but I'd do it a bit different in that I would roll the toe a bit more mashing the front rim down so that the breakover is accualy at the front of the second rim. I would feather it out past the first nail hole.
I may have left more sole on the foot as it gives a bit more protection plus I'm lazy and it dulls my knife.
I agree about being fuller in the heels. If the shoe was a size larger it would cover that and a person could make the toe a bit broader (not further foward) and use the first three nail holes, letting the heels move a bit more.
The way I work it I'd have burned the foot flat then floated that foot from the widest point back about a sixteenth or so to let the heels and quarters settle a bit.
Sticking your neck out a bit showing us your work like this. I'm glad my ****** 'puter won't post pics or I'd have to show mine. This way I can just talk.
My $0.02,
Bill

[Ronald Aalders]

Hi Red,

Pretty good. The heamoglobin stains often indicate some delayed breakover. But be aware such stains can also be caused by the mere loading of the foot. Easing breakover does not necessarilly mean you'll get rid of the stains.

I agree with what Bill said, except for a few details. I'ld take away more sole and frog, simply because I clean out the foot more when shoeing. I'm just saying what I would do, I'm not saying you should though.

Maybe you could have placed the shoe back a little further, that would have given you a fuller fit at the heels too.

I would not have rolled the toe like Bill suggests, but would have tapered out the toe.

If this is a performance horse, you could have considered using a 2 degree wedge too.



Ronald Aalders

[Red Amor]

Good O thanks fellars for the advise
I didnt realy mean to post it up as I was just fooling around with something my doughters young man had shown me
I kept hitting the wrong button and had a heep of posts up and didnt know how to deliete them otherwise I would have , I guess admin did it for me sorry;)
as for sticking out my neck, Im always greatfully open to polite constructive helpfull crittersisum its how we learn
thanks again

[Phil Armitage]

Personaly I like your work. Sole is healthy and thick, Frog is healthy and has some meat to it, Shoe fit and shape is great, Balance is great and the Nailing is good heigth and great clinches, maybe a little too far back, but I could be wrong. As far as the rear nails, I can tell that was a tough choice, I probably would have went with the back three on one side and only had one nail behind the widest part. There really not too far behind the widest part when looking at the top side of the foot. Good work Red, be nice to me when I figure out how to post my pictures. I would let you shoe my horses any time :)

[Jason Maki]

Red,
When I looked at the bare hoof, I saw a lot of flare, starting in the lateral heel 1/4 and extending to the medial toe 1/4. I also thought the medial heel needed to come back a little. I probobly would have tidied up the frog a bit( only for pretty's sake). You did drop the medial heel back, and the set back NB shoe ended up just about where I would have dressed the foot to before fitting and nailing. The only difference in the end result is I think bringing the foot back and in before fitting would have created more of a flow or arc through the toe and allowed the shoe to flow into the heels a little more smoothly, giving you the fit I think you were looking for. A sound job, and I think my observations are really a matter of taste and different training.
This foot would look really ***y in 3/8X7/8 concave...
Jason

[calshoer]

Really nice job. You know you can buy those shoes ready made......hee hee ;)
Patty

[Rick Burten]

Really nice job. You know you can buy those shoes ready made......hee hee ;)
Patty

Patty took the words right out of my mouth :eek:

I would have reached into the truck and pulled out a pair of NBS shoes and Wham, bam thank you maam, there I'd be.

Like Ron, I would probably have tidied up the sole a bit more, from the looks of things you had plenty to work with. I would also have put more of a heel check in the shoe so that the commissures weren't covered at the buttress.
But like Jason said, that is as much a style thing as anything else.

You ever get tired of drinking Fosters and want to drink some real beer, I've got a spare bedroom, and lots of horses I'd be proud to let you lend your Aussie hand to. And, while I won't necessarily throw a shrimp on the barbie, I do have some prime Angus that will practically melt in your mouth.

Rick

[Red Amor]

G,Day Guys
Thanks again for all the great adviCe , most of which I was thinking so I guess thats good yeah ,

I was thinking dubble clips to help stabilise the crack , its fairly solid and tidy , the result of a very old injury to the coronet viewed from the soler aspect it almost negligible

I mostly do a little more work knife work than that but this guy works a real lot on forestry roads which have up to 40 mill gravel on them

I had a set of three degree alloy shoes and changed my mind Ron
you blokes talk alot about not particularly like wedge pads so I thought I might build his next set out of some of Bill Corruthers concave and lift him a bit
Thanks Patty Love this site , theres is lots of nice **** stiring and cheeky jibeing , but just as much learning form lovely folk such as you all

Rick ya cheeky bugger , that artical was one of the reasons I asked about this job Im getting so much coflicting info my heads spinning , but in all honnesty Im sticking with you guys Ive been priverlaged to see good farriery related practices help far more horses that not

Also Rick and Phill thankyou for you kind words and flattering offer ,I have longed for many years to have Farriery help me to travel and see and learn from others like minded
the beef sounds delightfull , goorrr mate steak eggs n chips and BEER you lill bewdt I'll be fartin like a brumby /Mustang goodO ole mate ;)

Thanks again for your time and jestures guys you'll do me ay

[Bill Adams]

So. Why do we need to take more sole off? Would it be ok to leave a bit more on?

As to buying ready made shoes like these, I'm sure Patty is refering to the new shoes Diamond has on the market that look like Eventers. This saddens me as I see that this is the begining of yet another fad. Now I supose that there are horses that can be shod with Diamond shoes, but the basics have to be learned first, not a bunch of "Diamonds can cure anything" zellots running around. I can not begin to tell the stories of the countless horses so crippled from Diamond shoes.
This is the best part here:
So Patty, even though Diamonds are a girl's best friend, don't fall for fads.
The cool thing about typing on the net is you don't have to try and keep a straight face.

I was serious about the sole thing though.
Bill

[Red Amor]

Im sorry I thought id mentioned Jason
Mate thankyou most kindly for you very sound advise , you are spot on in all you said
and it might please you Ron Rick Bill Phill and Patty love to know that today I put all your good points into a similar shoeing and it turned out Kockahoo , realy made the difference so thanks again guys
the redfella

[Donnie Walker]

Here's one for all to see.

[Red Amor]

My Bloody oath Donnie, :eek: how'd he end up mate ?
Ive found its sometimes had to get a fair go out of owners the let this happen

and just wondering have any of you seen the Malasian shoes that are about now they put out nice shoes in NB style as well Ive used then here and there , dont mind the at all and the price is compareable

[Rick Burten]

Donny

Interesting picture. Was the shoe nailed on that way and was it done so according to a radiograph? Also, since that is an EDSS shoe, was the pad, Impression Material, and rails also applied?

Please give us more detail on this case.

Rick

[Phil Armitage]

Here's one for all to see.

I think you should parimeter fit that foot. :D Just kidding..............

[Jason Maki]

Donnie,
I ran across a pony with these elf feet today: chronic founder, overgrown on all four. I spent an hour cleaning up what I could of the mess. I backed off a lot of the wedge from the top, and actually found a healthy frog inside of the folded bars, stacked heels and general crud. WHat wedge I did not feel safe taking, i rockered off( kinda like a bannana, Ron!)And ended up loading the calloused ridge in front of the frog. When I walked in my first thought was--"Crud, Its been years since i had to carve a wooden indian"
My second was --"wheres the digital camera when I need it!"
I guess I did'nt need the camera, you had the pictures for me! :eek: :D
Jason

[Red Amor]

did they look like these ? :eek:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/Image649.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/redamor/Image657.jpg

By the way these photos were taken with my nocia mobile phone does a cracker of a job , I just infared blue tooth transfer to my computer or send them by msm to you , your phone or to you computer fax or printer , love it
can also take a fairly long vidio with the right memory chip instaled
bloody brilliant thing to have in the pocket

[Rick Burten]

There was a time when I was faced with feet like these, I'd have to either use a hack saw to start with, or just start nipping the toe back. What a tedious and labor intensive job it was. Now, I've got a jim dandy reciprocating saw and quick as a wink I can get rid of all that nasty toe. If the wall on the sides of the hoof has really rolled under and is hard to remove, I've been using a dremel with a cutting wheel to buzz through that stuff. I just keep a bunch of cutting wheels and blades on hand and quick a wink I can change the old one out.

And, if, on the off chance I should happen to draw a bit of blood, I can always tell the owner that that is to be expected. Why even the (in)famous Dr. H. Strasser says it can happen. :D :D Besides, its just leaking a little bit and horses/ponies do have a lot they can loose before suc***bing to death because of lack of blood. Right?

Rick

[Red Amor]

You cheeky bugger;)


As for the saws
Ive ofen thought of buying one of those saws , particularly when doing it the hard way , Ive use a hack saw ans a dovetailing saw , Ive also used the blade out of an industrial hack saw

the electric one sounds the go Rick , I wonder are you useing a fine or cause toothed blade mate

[Rick Burten]

[QUOTE=Red Amor]
>You cheeky bugger;)

I think thats a compliment, right? :p Or, are you saying that I have the same alleged proclivities as one Michael Jackson? :eek:

>As for the saws
Ive ofen thought of buying one of those saws , particularly when doing it the hard way , Ive use a hack saw ans a dovetailing saw , Ive also used the blade out of an industrial hack saw

>the electric one sounds the go Rick , I wonder are you useing a fine or cause toothed blade mate

I use a fine tooth blade most of the time. And now I'm contemplating going to a cordless one. Just as soon as the next sale at Lowes happens, or when the new Home Depot opens up, if I can scrounge up the discretionary capital, a new cordless sawzall will find its way into my truck.

Rick

[Red Amor]

Mate , nothing to do with wacko jacko

It just tickels my funny bone the way you jokers rib the hoofters Love it


you cheeky bugger , yup its a complement ;)

[Donnie Walker]

Rick - sorry for not responding sooner but I have been out of town. Radiographs on this foot indicated good alignment. Dental impression was used along with wedge pad & frog insert. Rails were not needed in this case but were used on another just like this one. Both had been in this condition eight years.

[Red Amor]

Be Buggered , 8 years poor lill beggers

Ay thats a great job Mr Walker :)
have you any photos of the rail shoes fitted please;)

[old heller]

hey don,just an observation,not a fight.i was under the impression that the NB shoe doesn't cover the frog apex?please explain.thanks

[Donnie Walker]

Old Heller - you are correct. Final placement put the inner edge of the shoe on the red line that you see, which was about 1/4" ahead of the tip of the frog (which was stretched). This positioned breakover of the shoe directly under the apex of P-3 which had been pre-determined with radiographs. This photo was one of many that had been snapped and probably caught the shoe placement incorrectly or was taken during the process of determining what size shoe to use. Good observation on your part.

[calshoer]

I will add a note on shoe placement when treating laminitis with EDSS...the breakover point of the shoe (and the concave relief area of the shoe under that) goes directly under the edge of p3. So in cases of a stretched frog, OR a badly rotated coffin bone, the wide toe area of the EDSS shoe may cover the tip of the frog. . Later on as the bone gets re-oriented, or the frog sheds the stretched tip and shortens up, the shoe and frog relationship will be more as it is in a normal foot. Patty

[old heller]

Thank you Donnie and Cal i was just wondering I need mentors to compare my work to Any help is a learning experience thanks

[FrankLaursen]

Donnie was that you that preformed this work? Nice job!!!
To me that is the best part of what we are able to do.
One question why the nail on EDSS and not the cuff?
I have done alot of these and mainly use the cuff but I think it is a personal prefrence and it allows me more options when comes to further reducing the rotation

Frank