two ignorant questions...

[sean_the_shoer]

2 questions:

1. how do I remove glued on shoes (with adhere)?

2. can I glue plastic pads with adhere or another product?
* i glued on a pair of front shoes for a laminitic horse (owner prefers no nails) along with equi-pac on the frog to ground level for frog support. Been on for a few weeks now and after consulting vet would like to apply some sort of sole protection. Just looking for new ideas and ways to save owner $. I prefer to slap on a hospital plate, and may ending doing just that with a plastic pad anyways.


Thanks!

[SlowShoe]

Sean,
Use your pullers and start at one heel and just squeeze them together just under the shoe, it should pop the shoe from the glue. Just proceed around the shoe. As for gluing pads.. I dunno about that. I suppose a sigafoos series II shoe could work for this type of situation. It would be like a very hard pad. Vettec is poly based glue, and does not like to stick to plastics (especially slick plastics like most glues). In fact I wouldn't even use it to glue a shoe on unless I had no choice. In my experience I haven't had it last more than a few weeks with clips. I usually wont glue a shoe on unless Im using a sigafoos shoe I do a fair amount of glue ons and 98% of them are Sigafoos shoes. I've only every lost one. And it was after 6 weeks.

Dont get me wrong I like vettec stuff even though it is really overpriced it's fairly convenient.

[Mike Bailey]

Rivit any pad you like to any shoe you like with the exception to a leather pad. super fast or adhere will hold it with two nails and clips if you can get them in. even most owners that don't want nails will alllow you put two in if needed.

[Thomas_Ride&Drive]

To veer off topic...

This posting amused me having listened to Susan having a total rant most of last night. She had false fingernails put on first week in August and even now had 4 well and truly stuck on! She's managed to get 2 off minus pullers but with a lot of profinity and a load of acetone. The others seem to be there for eternity.

So for those who might be having trouble with glue-ons coming off, might I suggest glue for false nails !!

And SlowShoe, I'll let her know she needs to use pullers!

[sean_the_shoer]

thanks for the responses... Vettec informed me about the process to remove shoes. They also told me adhere would work on polyethylene pads. I tried to glue the pad straight to the bottom of the shoe, no luck there. I drilled numerous holes around the perimeter of the pad for the glue to come through. I didn't have high hopes anyways. So just popped off the shoes and drilled/tapped for a hospital plate. This was a laminitic case, BTW. THEN the owner called to tell me that she felt bad keeping the horse in stall for so long she let him out to "walk it out" and he TROTTED away. How do I feel proud for my work and pi#%ed off at the owner at the same time??!!

[LarkinGreene]

Hi Sean - if you were informed by someone at Vettec that our poly-urethane materials would bond to polyethylene, then I apologize because it's not true. Polyurethanes do not bond to polyethylenes or polypropylenes (and a few other poly formulations). Polyurethanes bond like crazy to polyurethanes, and leather, among other things, but as Josh pointed out, they don't like slick, hard plastics.

Generally, you can achieve some level of success if the plastic pad is flexible, but you'll need to rough it up some, and a mechanical locking device (holes) always helps.

I have achieved consistent success with glue-ons (as long as 7 weeks) but I've also had them come off in a week. You have to be meticulous with preparation, and cleanliness is critical. If you're doing it in the dirt, don't waste your time. Wear gloves always. The oil from your sweaty palms handling the hoof can leave a film that will make a glue-on fail. And Mike also pointed out that a nail in each side is cheap insurance.

Two of the most important factors are a minimum final thickness of 1/8" (don't mash the shoe to the foot and squish out all the glue), and to burn or cut the clips in to set them (even though they'll relocate slightly with the glue thickness). Moisture is enemy one, and shear force number two. Hope this helps.

[Lefty's Anvil]

Vettec has a DVD which features Dave Farley, who directed and narrated a 'how to' for Superfast, Adhere, and Equipac.

I found it to be a precise and professional presentation in the prep, application, and use of these Equithane products.

There is a segmant where there is a demonstration of removing pad material and the removal of the entire Vettec product.

I ordered this DVD from Meader Supply........@ no cost. [1-800-4horses] I highly recommend this video to anyone looking to use Vettec products.

Dave,

in Southern Vermont, where winter is trying to sink it's teeth into the turf!!!