Wood-Miller Rasps

[Jack Evers]

I just recieved a flier for 8 Wood-miller rasps (Canadian) for $78 (plus shipping and taxes). Does anyone know anything about them?

[cowboy_bc]

Hi all,

Jack they have a site.

http://www.woodmillersaw.com/pages/232260/index.htm

And specifically

http://www.woodmillersaw.com/images/RASPS.doc

You will notice from the picture and the dimensions that they are quite a bit thicker than a regular rasp 7/16 where a regular rasp is 5/16. I picked one up like this about 10 years ago at a tack shop cuz I was stuck for rasps and I haven't seen one since. I found that it was quit heavy and it seems to me that the teeth don't go as close to the edge as a regular rasp. I wasn't fussy about it so I gave it away as soon as soon as I could get my hands on some Save edge rasps (which we all know are the best, right) so I don't know how it stood up? Anyway thats about 1/2 what I pay.

[Jason Maki]

Every time I use something other than a Heller, I end up being irritated( the feeling you get when your tools are in the wrong place--I just want to kick my box down the isle :eek:! Give 'em a try and let us know, but quality counts, especially in a rasp!
Jason

[Red Amor]

I like the safe edge but prefered the simmons black master but I find that neighter hold an edge or sharpen up as well as they used to

in compareing older rasps of the same brands to new ones one can see quite a difference in the shape of the teeth
Im thinking that this difference accounts for the newer rasps not buffing up as well


Im also woudering could anyone give me info on soaking rasps in hydrocloric acid,
the proceedure and time of emursion and an oppinion on how good the result in please

Im also dissopinted with several cutteres or nippers Ive been useing Ive bent the rains on two sets of lopez and broken the jaw in a brand new set of FPs only 40 horses if that , things have been a bit dry down this way Tasmainia , Im dissoppointed with paying sometimes two to three times as much for tools than you guys and have them break down on me
I do look after my tools and I do not abuse them

I do think manufractures need to lift their game at least back to the standard they originally presented with and the new guys comming on need to rase the bar
the only things that seem to be holding their edge are the Mitchel loop knives ;) made here anyway
Sorry for the big winge but I think it has to be said we are in one way at the mercy of the manufactureres BUT IF they are slipping with quallity WE need to tell them
to shape up of you,ll get the Sorbent treatment

[Ronald Aalders]

Now you mention slipping of quality Red, I've been using Save Edge for years, untill I found that some of the rasps out of one box would get dull in a day or so. Had to get another one. I told somebody about that and they told me that had to do with somekind of manufacturing problem Save Edge had. By now they had figured out the problem, yeah right...........

I want a rasp that I can rely on, ALWAYS.

So I booted those **** Save Edge years ago and started using Heller Legend. Never even touched another brand since.................


Ronald Aalders

[Red Amor]

Thanks for the reply Ron mate
I tried a ledgend and thought it ok but Id had such a good run out of the black master I thought Id go again , but alas the slacker bug was into them too
I just recon ther on to us in reguards to us buffing them up and getting more life out of them so theyve fixed that by changing the stile shape and hardness of the teeth in the rasps
Just MY oppinion but Im like that :)

in the shop we pay $47,50 for a single safe edge , if I buy through a mates buisness around $34.oo

the black masters about $260.oo for a box of six and now they arent as good as they used to be

Im like many of you I'll pay good money for good toold , but Ill ***** like billyO
when the quallity isnt there ;) I dont work any harder that you jokers do for your money but our money doesent go as far as your Dollar does so it would seem

[J.H. shoeing]

Red

Have you seen the new GE nippers I think they are called "easy cuts". The reins are beefed up. The whole tool seems to be heavier. I think I will try a pair when I buy new nippers. It is wet here now but when she gets dry it will be dry.

Has anyone else tried them??

Jeff

[Ronald Aalders]

I never heard they had a new type of nippers out. I'm ready for a new one so I'ld like to know!

And Red, if you have to pay a lot because of shipping, be sure to buy good tools. For nippers, just buy GE and you'll be fine.


Ronald Aalders

[Red Amor]

Good morning Fellers

Jeof as a matter of fact Ive just bought a set of those eazycuts , and there great
I did spring the handles a little on the draughts I trimmed wednesday but didnt realy bend them out of shape like the other and rewen them
So far the best Ive used and will buy them again
they cost me $285oo

Ron I wouldnt hesitate to grab a set of the new eazycuts first chance you get , you wont be dissappointed

[Ronald Aalders]

Anybody know if those GE guys have a website? Google can't seem to find it and I wanted to have a look at those Easycuts..........



Ronald Aalders

[Bill Adams]

I've allways used Bollata's rasps and they seem to to do well. I use one a month in the summer and one in two months in the winter working full time, overtime even. I try to go easy and have found alot of my tools staying sharper and lasting longer, with more work as the years go by.

How long do your rasps last and remind me not to get into a slaping upside the head contest with Red who is always bending his nips.
Bill

[Red Amor]

Gday Bill , how are ya old son

I used the same ten rasps for twelve months year before last the next year six black masters and six safe edges a heller ledgend a belotta a mustad
went back to the two best black masters from the previous year for a while untill the new box of black masters Id had on order turned up

Several of the blokes I know down this way start one new rasp usually a safe edge every week
two of the use that rasp for everything
most use it only to trim and have a second to finnish off
I have the best to trim clean hooves another to trim scrubbers an older one to finnish off clenching etc
, and an older one for beveling on shoes hot rasping etc this gives me a real good run out of my rasps
Ive been known to sell second hand rasps to knowalls wanting to go bare footers , love watchin the swet, but you make it look soooo easy they say ;)
he he he he he yeah I do dont I he he he hee ;)

[Ronald Aalders]

A month with a rasp????? Wow, I'm happy if can use them for a week! And I use the three rasp system too like Red said. One for shoeing, one for clinching and one for clinching sliders. (If you hit an AB slider that you quenched, your rasp will be dull with one stroke) I don't rasp the nailheads, I do this with an angle grinder and a flapdisc.


Ronald Aalders

[John Barney]

What about Simmonds Farrier? The ones with a red tang. I used some of them a couple of years back and really liked them. Now they are hard to find locally and I can get Save Edge for 15.00 from the Amish. I Started using a push gouge for under the clinches and a finish rasp which I really like. They seem to last along time and really make the hoof and clinches look good.

JB

[Red Amor]

I hammer clench my showies , cutting the nails to length with cutters and cutting the seat with a seat cutter or gouge ,home made of a pice of rat tail file and the handle of a shifting spanner , works beautifully

I like the hammer clench finnish much nicer

Hi John
Mate havent seen one yet Ill give one a try as soon as i can , thanks

[John Barney]

Red,
Send me your address and I'll send ya a finish rasp. I bought some on a deal and they are not too bad. Gotta help you guys down under so one day you'll be on top. He he he.

JB

[Red Amor]

G,Day John

Mate thats bloody nice of you son Tar

Mark Anthony Amor
15 Packers Road
Huonville Tasmania
Australia 7109

[FrankLaursen]

I use the Black master seems to last even in the summer.I tried the Save edge and found that they were so sharp that they only lasted about a week to ten days and I would loose a pint of blood from the laser edges :eek: and tried the belotta and was in the stall with a foundered one tossed my rasp on the ground and it broke, it was so hard it was brittle. I found the white tangs are and the black masters seem consistant for workmanship and the abilty to hold the edge and is not hard on the hands either

Frank

[Bill Adams]

So Ron,
How do you use up a rasp in a week?
I will now devolege the secret to my sucess. To make a rasp last a couple of months, don't use it.
When I trim to go barefoot I run the nippers at an angle to bevel the hoof and try not to make the cut too chunky, as flat as possible, for me anyway. I'll clean up the chunks with the nips if, I mean when, necessary. Then I round just the edge of the hoof rather than working the whole width of the hoof wall. Then I knock down any rough spots on the rest of rhe hoof wall.
On a trim for shoeing I try to get it as flat as I can then just hit the worst spots with the rasp. When I fit the shoe it burns the high points so I cut those out with my knife as John Suttle showed at a clinic years ago. The last burn smothes it all out nice.
I saved up a box of rasps that have only been used on hoof that I'm going to send somewere in L.A. to be sharpened. I will report my findings.
My $0.02,
Bill

[Ronald Aalders]

I don't know Bill, it's just that I hate it when I have to push a rasp to get it to work I guess. I found I'm much more precise with a sharp rasp and it saves a lot of breath too!

But I kind of checked it and a rasp a week is about it.

Maybe I'm just lazy........


Ronald Aalders

[Jason Maki]

Bill,
I know a few guys whose forge lasts forever. I seem to need to reline every six months or so... I wonder how they short cut around the wear and tear on that peice of equipment? :D
My teacher trims for barefoot very simalar to that; I seem to have this compulsion to trim it FLAT, then rocker, roll or round of the edges where the foot needs it...
I get about 90 horses to a rasp. I use three- A sharp one for trimming,that after about 30+ horses gets bumped to the dressing rasp. That rasp then goes to the finish slot. The finish rasp goes into the hot rasp slot in the trailer, and the hot rasp goes into the steel pile.
Jason

[Bill Adams]

Honest Jason,
My forge liner lasts longer the more I use it. I get about a year from one Forgemaster blacksmith model. I think it's the moisture that gets 'em. I shoe every horse hot and run the thing on cold days (mid-fourtys) even when I'm triming. I try to be careful about banging the sides and back and go real easy on the sureweld.
How about that! I cured rasp and forge problems for everyone around the world on my day off.
Bill

[Red Amor]

I built two forges copied off a New Zeland product about 7 years ago
I have never used one of them its still brand new on the bench to other has never been relined , there is a peep hole about an inch in diameter that time has burnt in to the door
It will heat that PB I kerkarts to red hot in about three and a half minutes
and a set of draught shoes in about five to eight I think
I lined the forges with a product called le farge refractory [spelling] both forges were bewt to look at almost as good as the store brought item and they cost me around the $120.oo to build UM LAUGHING HEHEHEHEHEHE

A Heavy duty buffing wheele like youd have used in metal work at school to buff up jobs you made and an ingot of orian buffing compound is all you need to keep your rasps going
Ive been doing it for years , thats my gripe the manufacturers are on to us
Bugger:(

[Red Amor]

G,day Guys

Im still wundering about treating rasps in acid to sharpen them
has anyone any info on this subject ,as in how long they would soak the rasp for and in what consentrate the solution either straight or watered down and in what mesurements

thanks again
the red fella

[Bill Adams]

Hey Red,
I've heard that some fellows will put them in sea water for a day or so. If that's the case then I would think not too much acid and then some soda to stop it. I'm not sure and haven't tried so I thought it important that I give advice.
Bill

[blueridgeshoes]

Red,
I'm not really experienced at this since most of my clients get my cr*pped out rasps but-
take an acid resistant tray (like one uses in developing photos) and dump some battery acid in it. Soak your rasp(s) in it for 12 to 24 hours.
Bare in mind, some rasps are beyond help.

Jake

[Red Amor]

Bill Jake

thanks guys

The one reason i thought acid might give the rasps I already buffed up a new lease o life is that buffing only contacts one face o the tooth but the acid may clean up the under side or front o the tooth and then with a buff it my serve a little longer
It may sound that Im stingy , not so just curious to make thing last longer .better whatever
thanks again

[Red Amor]

Gday you jokers , hope yall welln happy

Ive just got home from spending the last two days trial bike rideing on an Island off the coast of Tasmania called Bruni Island
went there with my old mate Dow Patterson who was the bloke who started me in Farriery
HAD A BALL , had a couple a drinks to sulute dear old St Pat , cheeres to yall

Any how I got home today to find in the mail from John Barney that lovely finishing rasp you set me mate , bloody bewdy mate Ill enjoy useing that on my showies
John very nice of you old son thanks

[Donnie Walker]

I ordered the promotional box of Wood-Miller rasps, 8 at $9 and change using the first one on six head yesterday. It has a good feel and is really sharp. Longevity remains the unanswered question.

[Donnie Walker]

UPDATE: 32 head on this rasp now and it's still working quite well.

[Donnie Walker]

FINAL UPDATE: It finally crashed on the coarse side at 41 head. Used on outside horses with dry hard feet.

[Red Amor]

Is there anyone ealse out there useing these rasps

how are you getting on with them

[brian robertson]

After 1 day I quit with it and tossed it on the bench for hot rasping. Found it wasn't even good for that so it's in the s**** barrel. The saying goes "you get what you pay for"

[Red Amor]

Gday Brian
Mate what in your oppinion is the main faults with the rasp

please describe the shap of the teeth , heigth or length of teeth width at base the depth of gullet
the apprent temper , did the teeth just go dull or chip

please take the time if you can spare it to tell us what you think

youve read my posts in the past on other products and my dissapointment in them

I just want to find a rasp as good as the pack of simmons black masters I had a few years ago , they were fab but like all others just arent as good now days as they used to be
but still my prefured rasp when I can get them

save edge , ort to be embarrised
they were a reasonable rasp

[brian robertson]

Red, Sorry I haven't been back, been on foal watch in my barn. Got a large thunder storm predicted this afternoon so maybe these mares will let loose today.
When these wood miller rasps came, initially I was pleased with their cut both smooth and course sides. I think the problems stem from either the steel content or they drew the temper too much, they have to be breakable hard in order to stay sharp. After I read your post, I went to the shop, picked up that rasp and whacked it on the post vise and nothing happened. I got a worn out Heller Legend from the truck and whacked it the same way; it broke into 3 pieces. They have to be almost brittle to stay sharp. Besides if the rasps are brittle, guys will be less likely to be hitting horses with them so it's better for custumer relations. I buy rasps that will make me bleed if I'm not careful with them.

[Rick Burten]

Red

Over the years I have used just about every brand of rasp that has been made. For a long time I used and really liked Belottas. Save Edge was good for a while too. But, of all of them, the Heller Legend is the one that I like the best, and use exclusively (other than the Simmonds Black Master Finish Rasp) every day. Occasionally I get a bad one or two, but overall, they stay the sharpest and last the longest of any rasp I have ever used. I tried the Black coated Legends too. And I like the originals more.

Rick

[Red Amor]

G.day Rick
Mate thanks for the reply
I had a crack at a heller ledgend and founf it to be goodO but couldnt get them any more
as Im one of very few that use anything other than save edge down this way the guys bringing them in dont bother to get the others

[brian robertson]

Red, John from Wood-Miller wrote to tell me that everybody loves their rasps and don't want a rasp that might break if they drop them. I guess these are the folks that they are building rasps for these days. Wood-Miller rasps ... safe enough for a ***** to use. I'm surprised they don't come with gloves, a helmet and a roll cage.Wood-Miller rasps are perfect for the backyard shoer; they're cheap and you get what you pay for.

[Red Amor]

AYA ROBBO
Mate thanks for your reply
yeah old mate wrote to me as well, and siad the same things , and is sending me some samples to evaluate
seems to be a nice bloke , so I wont bull**** him about what I think of the product

Im finding it a bit frustrating Bry, the way rasps are going to the dogs latley
Its not as if the manufactureors havent got the market cornered
WHY NOT KEEP UP THE STANDARDS of the old product and make their millions over a life time keeping face with the hard working men and woman that use their products than make a million over night
Im insulted by whats on the market at the moment
and Im telling them to get their **** togeather and fix it up
either that or send me a lifes time supply of rasps for free ;)
yeah right like thats gonna happen he he he
gee Id love to be able to come over there for a while to study with some of your guys for a while , not a lot happening down here on the education side of things , ok its realy up to the individual to educate him/her self but its a lot easier if youve a bunch o good mates to play with ay
my state association has been closed a couple a years now and Id have to fly to the mainland to partisipate in seminars and soforth

[Donnie Walker]

The life of just about any rasp is dependant upon a number of things:

(1) The most important is the ability to make a clean nipper cut which reduces rasp use which increases longevity

(2) Not slapping the rasp on a magnet attached to a stand or box or throwing them into an aluminum shoe box without a lining

(3) Utilizing the full length and surface

(4) Avoiding shoe contact

(5) Keeping them clean and avoid rasping dirt & gravel

I shoe in a lot of back yards and in some very big stables for Hall of Famers and the rasp I use doesn't seem to know the difference.

[Red Amor]

Gday John
Mate thanks for your reply , as I said Ibe glad to give them a work out and will respectfilly and truthfully reply as to their quallities as per my personal feelings
I do appreaciate your wishing to service the market with a quallity product and am impressed with your efforts to converse with us to do so


Don
Mate you have stated the obvious in your post but many of the farriers I know take good care of their tools particularly rasps and nippers and In my case my Mitchel loop knives
I also know some that shoe out of thongs where all tools are thrown togeather in a satchel , the tools were a mess and one would expext the life of a rasp to be denergreated

I have only never broken one rasp and ive had horses stand on them and bend them so I thought it would snap , the simply sprang back into straight
Ive dropped them heeps of times and banged shoes and all sorts of things with them

what Im crooked on is the teeth , sise shape and depth of gullet , strength of the tooth , temper

rasps are just not standing up to the work they used to the wat they used to
going dull quicker or teeth chipping and then not buffing up as well of as ofen
and I fermly believe the manufactureors are well on to the fact some of us have been buffing up our rasps quite sucessfully in the past and have therefore taken actions to prevent this
this is only my oppinion and I in no way say the I speek for anyone ealse

I would be happy if I could but rasps of the quallity of say two years ago
I cant realy give you an exact time and date of the down turn in the quallity of life of any particular brand , I just know theyve slipped simple as that and apparently so have many other Farriers

Like Ive said in earlier posts , just fix em up fellars , we have to buy the anyway and your not just letting us down :(

[hoofnhound]

An observation about the 'downfall' of Savedge,which is a bit of a bee in my bonnet as I used to like them so much...
I have questioned reps about the change and was told nothing was different,but I noticed something interesting.....I always use one of those little black plastic doohickeys on the butt end. It always used to fit very tightly and took some force to get on and off.Around the time my rasps started turning **** it got loose and now slides on and off with ease,sometimes actually working loose.
Itend to think it's no coincidence.
Alison.

[Bill Adams]

What Donnie said is the way to go. I use Bolatas and get a month in the summer and two months in the winter. Another thing I do to protect my fingers and an ocational horse hide is to grind the edges at the tang and end smothe when I take it from the box.
I have found that only brand new rasps will break. This theroy has been proven by Prof. Murphy.
I have been informed by new clients that they had to fire their old Farrier because he hit their horse so hard with a rasp that it BROKE!! What I reply now is that a rasp must be hard enough to keep an edge so as to be brittle and can break easaly over one's knee. Then I explain that if you hit the horse with the edge of the rasp you wont endanger the rasp breaking and you can hit the horse much harder. Love to get those looks of terror after that one.
My $0.02,
Bill

[Red Amor]

Gday all

John ,my rasps turned up this afternoon Ill start on them tomorrow and give them a good workout for you
I Thanks again for giveing me the oppertunity to partisipate in the testing of your product
I for one hope they come up to scratch and get the others to extract the didgit ;)
cheeres mate

[Red Amor]

Gday All

John mate very well said

On the subject of rasps I have had the oppertunity to try a couple of Johns test rasps and think with Johns determination to sucseed in suplying the market with a quallity rasp that gives us the Farriers good value for money is exemplery and the other manufacturers had better wake up , the dogs a peeing on your swags:)
I got 40 odd trims out of each rasp and then buffed them up on a heavy duty buffing wheele and a dab of orion pollishing paste
another ten to fifteen out of these
I havent used them since but will this next week comming Ill let you know more about them later but Im thinking to use them as finishers for a little while

well done John , thanks for the oppertunity to try them out

[old heller]

Hey John ,hows the 51st.state doing just joking we will be watching this thread.My vet wants to know how your rasps hold up over the back of a donkey.his belotta broke.Just a joke guys,and girls ;)

[SlowShoe]

G'Day Everyone

I have 100 free samples of our new style rasps available for trials. Very aggressive, but not recommended for the back of a donkey. ;)

First come, first served.


Whats new about them? I'm very interested. I think I sent you an email on your website.

-Josh

[Roy Amaral CJF]

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/legionxs/wavey.gifI'd like to try one.

[Red Amor]

G.Day Johnny
Mate I'll take a dozen thanks :)

[Gary Hill]

Save Edge is going south in my opinion! I'll try some. How do we go about getting them?? Thanks, Gary

[SlowShoe]

G.Day Johnny
Mate I'll take a dozen thanks :)

Well he's only sending one at a time for free samples. but hes selling them for 14 dollars per rasp if you buy 12, then you get 2 free, free shipping and a scew on handle hehe =]

I'm hopeing thats 14 dollars canadian.

Gary call him or email, heres the website..
http://www.woodmillersaw.com/
http://www.woodmillersaw.com/images/370_Horse_Rasps_American_Farrier_s_Journal_Ad,_Sep t_24,04.jpg

-josh

[hotfitguy]

i just tryed a wood-miller rasp to day brand new and i thought that it was like useing a weekold save-edge good thing i got it for free.

[hotfitguy]

i got it from a supplyer in canada and he sent it to me and yes it was a wood-miller .

[Red Amor]

Yey hotfitguy
have to ask was it the sheilars that give you your pen name ;) he he he
sorry;(
so if you dont mind what rasp do you favour old mate :)

[hotfitguy]

hey RED armor whats sheilars. and john i would love to try out one of your rasp's i have lots of competition boys that would like to try them out at the contest's and we could promote them if u like if u want my address i will priv msg it to u thanks.

[Maryann Kleynendorst]

My supplier, Double D Tack/Thunder Bay Feeds, got some thru Western Rawhide, at my request. Are these the "old" or the "new" cause I must say that I'm not that impressed with them. Seem kind of dull out of the box, especially the fine side.

Maryann

[Red Amor]

G,Day hottie
Mate shielars= the ladies ;)

[Double C Forge]

hey RED armor whats sheilars.

I assume that Red was referring to what "Down Under Rednecks"
call their women as they drag them into the cave. LOL
:D

[Red Amor]

thats it Chris:)

[Nor'easter]

I like it alot

[Red Amor]

Hey Johnny
Mate what about helping me set up a franchise selling your rasps here in Tassie;)

[Greg Thomas]

Well, I tried a Wood Miller rasp today. (the company sent me a free sample upon my request).

The details;


My opinion of this rasp so far is;

I like it alot. I was immediately impressed with how well it cut. It is as sharp or sharper than any rasp i've ever used. It was so sharp in fact, that I was concerned about shredding my hands (even with gloves on). Now I just have to see if it's durable. I'm thinking it will be.

In conclusion;

This is one sharp rasp at a reasonable price and i'm looking forward to workng with it.



(thanks for the sample John)



Same here, except instead of "concerned about shredding my hands" I just went ahead and thought that "it sure is gonna take a while for this one to heal".

Greg

[Double C Forge]

I also recieved one and really liked it. I compared it to my Simonds Red Tang rasps that I have always used and the differences I see are:

1. When I first took it outta the box, it didn't feel as sharp as my simonds but after using it I find that it was plenty sharp and at the end of a couple horses, my hands were not all chewed up either.

2.. (More Cutting Surface) The cutting surface is milled all the way out to the edge of the rasp, which Simonds doesn't do anymore. (have cheapend up)

3. (Course side has larger teeth) The cutting area is much larger on the coarse side, the teeth are twice as large then on my simonds. Seemed to cut much quicker. (have cheapend up)

4. The overall length and weight seemed to be the same.

5. I have only used it a little bit and this was my first impression but if it holds the edge for long enough in comparison w/ my simonds then Wood Miller will get my 1 dozen rasps order shortly.

Good tools always make a difference.

[hotfitguy]

loved the Wood-Miller rasp thanks alot going to order some asap

[Nor'easter]

Alright, I used the Wood Miller rasp and it's excellent!!

[Red Amor]

LIKE LIKE I I TOLD YUZ AY:)
There a bloody good rasp , and the other mobs had better smarten up , soon

Good on ya John

[Roy Amaral CJF]

These things are pretty decent. About as sharp as the Heller and finishes smother. Can't beat the price $8.40 a piece shipped.

Says made in Brazil on the I recieved?

Can you get shoes from Brazil too?

[SlowShoe]

I;ve had mine for a few weeks. Its pretty much extactly like a Heller Legend.. The teeth are organized in the same pattern on the course side, and on the fine side they are angled a bit more which would explain the smoother finish.

-Josh

[Ben-Sturman]

John, I got the rasps you sent me when my truck was stolen and just haven't remembered to get on here and tell you what I thought. So far they have been very good. They have out lasted the simmonds and the save edge that I have been using. I like the cut and the finish I get with them and they don't clog like some others I have used. They seem to be of good quality and workmanship. The only thing that would be better was if they came in a bigger(longer) size. I do like the simmonds big hoof for larger animals, but heck, you can't have everything right. If you could send me a price list by snail mail or private email, I wil probably make an order right afterthe first of the year. Thanks again.

Ben Sturman

[Just Shoe It]

Is any one still useing these rasp? How are they holding up?

[Wannabeee]

They are very good Im liking them alot. Scott

[Double C Forge]

Yes they are absolutely great. I'm finishing off a box of simmonds that I had bought earlier and as soon as those are gone I will be using the wood-miller rasps exclusively. I recieved mine from John and it is a much nicer product that holds up very well. It outlasted almost 2 simmonds rasps.

[Greg Thomas]

Hadn't used anything but Belotta rasps for probably 15 years- now I can't imagine me using anything but Wood-Miller.

Good rasps.

Greg Thomas

[jseyffer]

I'm still using the sample rasp. I lost count of the horses it has done. I too will switch when I use up my current supply.

[Gary Hill]

Mine lasted only three days but of course without any rain for 6 months the hoofs are like rocks. Gary

[Red Amor]

Ive one of Johns test rasps I use it now as a finishing rasp I just give a lick on the buffing wheele now n then its still comming up good enough

I like to send the box of black masters back , absolute junk

[Just Shoe It]

Thanks for the input,

I look forward to gettin em!

[SlowShoe]

I too will be makeing an order when I exuast my supply of black masters.. The black masters WERE the best, but as red has said, the quality has gone down hill. I'm still useing the woodmiller that was sent to me a while ago. Its a finish raps, but it held up quite well.

My ONLY complaint is that I wish they were made in America, or Canada and not Brazil. I sometimes find myself putting items back on the shelf in favor for products made in America or Canada as I feel that industry is really suffering in our countrys. I think as tradesman and craftsman that its our duty to do what we can to help out.

For example I bought 2 GREAT pair of tongs the other day for 10 bucks (2 pair for 20 really). They are really nice for the $$, but when I got them, they said made in CHINA. I felt bad when I got them. I really did. I dont even know if I will re-order more, as I think I would rather give the extra $$ to Jim Poor or someone here in America. I dont mind products from Europe so much iether, as thier industy is being sold out from under them too.

-Josh

[Dances with Hooves]

Been using the trial rasp that john sent me for a few days now. With over 20 horses on it it's much sharper than a new simonds. I called john today and ordered the xmas special bundle. Nice product john! If you want to extend the line think about a wood-miller the same size as the simonds big hoof rasp. The extra legnth is nice for warmbloods and drafts.

[Red Amor]

You other Jokers lissening to this . simmons savedge belotta

come on lads up ya get your swages are wet and the dogs are grinnin

Keep up the good work Johnboy
seasons greetings to your n yours son

to everyone for that matter yeah, goodO ;)

[Dave Whitaker]

John,
Thanks for the sample rasp...... my complaint is that it is too damn sharp! lol

I use Save edge rasps, and when I got yours, I put my handle on 'er, grabbed me a foot, and gave her a push. Damn thing was so much sharper than the Save edge, it caught, jumped, and laid my knuckle open. Guess I hadn't realized how dull my "new" Save edges have been getting.

I normaly get about 40-45 horses out of a Save edge before I send to the finish rasp handle.... I would have to say your rasp was 30 or so horses old before it felt like a new Save edge......... I bet I had 90- 100 head on it before I switched it out...... Nice product... Dave

[John Barney]

Where can I get one of these to try? I have had my best luck with Simmonds Farrier rasps, but they clog to easy( didn't use to). I'm 60 miles S.E. of Kansas City. Thanks

JB

[Jaye Perry]

John,
Thanks for the sample rasp...... my complaint is that it is too damn sharp! lol

I use Save edge rasps, and when I got yours, I put my handle on 'er, grabbed me a foot, and gave her a push. Damn thing was so much sharper than the Save edge, it caught, jumped, and laid my knuckle open. Guess I hadn't realized how dull my "new" Save edges have been getting.

I normaly get about 40-45 horses out of a Save edge before I send to the finish rasp handle.... I would have to say your rasp was 30 or so horses old before it felt like a new Save edge......... I bet I had 90- 100 head on it before I switched it out...... Nice product... Dave
I have to agree. The Wood Miller is a good rasp. No compliants and lasts a week longer than the RED TANGS. I'll order a case.

Thanks John for a good product!!!

[Red Amor]

John will you please send me a couple of boxes of your rasps asap
I'll happerly pay the freight
thanks mate

[T.L. Buck]

John, I too love the rasp you sent me. I will be ordering a box PDQ.

[Dances with Hooves]

John sent me a rasp to try around december 23d or thereabouts. It is now january 28th and I am still using it!!!!!! Got to have over a hundred horses on it. Now mind you in january in maine there is no sand and dirt on the feet to help dull the rasps but I have been needing to rotate out my simonds red tang rasps each week till I put johns in the rotation. In summer I was using 2 red tangs a week.

When this one gets dull I have a box of 8 more that I ordered from john.

Nice work john. Can I talk you into making a model the same size as the simonds big hoof? Please! Please! Please! :)

[Red Amor]

I,d like to chuck me at in the ring for that one to John old son yeah :)

[Dances with Hooves]

G'Day To All

George, I am glad to hear our rasps are working for you. I am trying to get the Wood-Miller Big Hoof Rasp off the ground. If I am successful would you be interested in evaluating a prototype for me?

Best Regards
John Zarzecny
Wood-Miller Saw & Knife Ltd.
Canada

I'd love to help out I've got one percheron farm and one clydesdale place in mind for the test. As the horses at these two places have excellent (ie. hard dense very tough to nipper thru and rasp feet) feet that challange the simonds big hoof and my 15" GE draft nippers. I hope you can convince the powers that be that there would be a profit in this extension to the product line.

On that note. A show of hands how many of you out there use the longer rasps? And if you do, how many do you use versus the 14" ones? I've been running thru 3-4 simonds red 14"/month and one to two simonds big hoof/month. About 15% of my practice are drafts and another 20% are warmbloods and draft crosses for a total of 35% (approximately) that I pull out the long rasps for.

[Gary_Miller]

John, you can put me in on the big hoof evaluation as well.

My mentor use the big rasps for everything. He has found they last longer than the regular size rasp. I gotten so use to using them that when I switch tok the regular size I have to think to much.

I'm sure we can run them through the test for you as well.

Gary

[Ben-Sturman]

I second the motion, a good big rasp of the quality of your others John would be wonderful. The three you sent me when I lost everything in Sept. are still doing a wonderful job. I am going to order a box of the 14" rasps very soon and just forget about the others I use to use, what ever brand they were. Thanks for such a good product John.

Ben

[Mattfarrier]

Hey All,

We're feeling a bit left out over here in the UK. Can't find supplier who's even heard of these rasps.
But we're equally as fed up with the sh!t being produced by other manufacturers.
Any chance of a freebie??

Regards,
Matt

P.S with regard to rasp longevity read the posts here...

www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2155

[Just Shoe It]

Im into my fourth week of a horseshow and the sample rasp still has plenty of life left!


Cant wait to make an order. Great product thanks!

[J.H. shoeing]

When the 17" rasp are in production I would like to buy them. Let me know what supplier I could get them from or if they would be shipped directly from the factory.

Jeff, CF

[Bill Adams]

John,
I would buy your rasps from what the folks here say about them. Especialy the long ones. I use about on rasp in three months and I have a box to go through till I can get some of yours.
More big, more better.
Bill

[J.H. shoeing]

John

Long seems fine, but wide is not. I tried to use some of the extra wide rasp on the market and it was like fist fighting with a chainsaw.



Hey Bill

It finally rained here. I poured both drops out of my rain gauge.

[Gary_Miller]

John

18" would be just fine the diffrence is so minor I don't think I would notice. Except that extra 1' of cutting area may mean more horses to a rasp, and that would be a good thing.

Gary

[Red Amor]

G,Day Guys
John, Mate
the courrier Turtle brinning the rasps must have drowned ;)

Like I said send two boxes Im happy to pay for the product and the freight

thanks mate

[Ben-Sturman]

More rasp, same type of cut as the smaller one, maybe more horses per rasp, heck, that can't be a bad thing. 18" sounds fine.

[Donald Ruff]

Bill,

You go through a rasp every 3 months! Wish i could say that, A rasp usually last me about 25-30 horses before i change it out and it becomes my finish rasp. So it lasts about a week to a week and a half. I use those Heller Legends and really like them, nice smooth rasping.

So it comes out to less than a dollar a horse for my rasps. I figure that it's a good deal. I have seen those woodmiller rasps and there what 13.00 a piece, now that would be grreat if i could get 25+ horses out of them. I would buy them by the case if that were to be the case.

Don

[Bill Adams]

Don,
I changed rasps today. When I do I grind the date with my knife dremmel, and the one I retired (I rotate two sets of two, with the apprentice) was dated last August First.
I don't do a lot of rasping on the bottom of the foot, thats what hot shoes are for, and I don't rasp alot on the outside of the hoof. I used to rasp a bit on the shoe but now it's the grinders job.
I have a draft rasp for those big guys, and I like that size but the cost scares me, but if John can provide a good, long, inexpencive tool, I'm on the list.
Bill

[Donald Ruff]

John,
I am noit impressed with the product.
The rasp only lasts through abotu 15-20 head on the rough side of the rasp. As for the finish side it lasts much longer, yet it leaves lot's of little grooves in the hoof not that I am much concerned about it the high end clients don't like to see that. What can I say they are picky.
If the rough side of the rasp lasted as long as the finish side I would switch rasps in a heart beat. Hope the feed back helps.

Don

[Donald Ruff]

I saw them in a magazine that my wife had and she was ordering things for the ranch and I asked her to throw that on the order. I want to say it was from valley vet.
They are yours i assume. WoodMiller is on the butt of the rasp just above the tang. Also says brazil on there as well. Are you being copied already?HAHA
Don

[Donald Ruff]

John,
So more than likely I purchased an old box of your rasps. Hmmm? I may have to take you up on this can kicking thing.
I'll give you a call after the holiday weekend. There are to many can's(beer) that need my help this weekend and it's a long weekend!
Thanks again I am going to go check the rasp and see what markings they have on them.
Thanks,
Don

[Mattfarrier]

Hi John,

Still no chance of a rasp sneaking over this way? We're desperate for a good rasp over here.

Regards,
Matt

[Donald Ruff]

Matt,
Assuming that England has an extremely moist enviorment, as does Western Washington. I have found two rasps that work really well and don't clog up on me.
One is Heller Legend and the other is Wood-Miller. Huge cost difference. Heller's are almost around 35% more than Wood-Miller. Theonly thing I dodn't like about the Wood-Miller is that they did not seem to last as long as Heller's.
I have been talking with John and he informed me that they have changed the tooth geometry of there rasp, so I think I got a batch of there old rasps from a distributor. I am going to get some from him and see how they hold up.

Good luck,
Don

[Rick Burten]

One is Heller Legend and the other is Wood-Miller. Huge cost difference. Heller's are almost around 35% more than Wood-Miller. Theonly thing I dodn't like about the Wood-Miller is that they did not seem to last as long as Heller's.

Since the Hellers last longer, the cost difference becomes smaller. To do a true cost comparison you have to factor in the number of horses/rasp and then determine how much, if any, cost differential there is.

[smitty88]

how long did you get out of a wood-miller

if you where doing 50 sets a week
how would fair out

[Donald Ruff]

Sounds good John

[Donald Ruff]

Rick,
Very true and this was taken into consideration. Thus the reason I have not switched. 16or18$ for a legend and they last for about 30-35 horsesfor trimming another 30-35 for a finish rasp and then they go on to finish there life out as a hot rasp, once they are done they get forged into a nice hoof pick for customers. So there life is well worth the price.

[holden_cj]

I have just put 40 horses in on my wood-miller rasp that thing is sharp i got it out of the box and thought i really hate to put this across my fingers :D . And sure enough it happened but other that it is amazing and for you guys to be standing behind your product doesnt happen all that offten but you got a good thing going on keep up the quality and thanks for my free rasp.

Cody

[Donald Ruff]

John,
Looking forward to putting to the test.
Don

[brian robertson]

John, If you would be so kind as to reprint your address and prices; I'd be willing to give your new rasps another try. Shipping to US at 48867. brian robertson

[Donald Ruff]

John,
Got my 2 comp rasps in the mail about a week ago. Have not put them to the test yet probably next week they'll get thrown into the mix.
I''ll keep trak of how many horse i can do with one and let you know.

Don

[Donald Ruff]

ALways here to help John ;)

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

John, do you guys ship to/sell in Australia at all. I haven't seen that name before in my local farrier suppliers.

[SlowShoe]

John,
I will take one. Think you still have my address?

[Red Amor]

G,Dat John Boy

Please send the RedFella a box full
seasons greatings to you n yours olson :)

[Derin Foor]

G'Day To All

May I be so bold as to ask which members of this forum would agree with the following assertion.

"The Heller Legend rasp is without doubt my favored weapon of choice."


yep, that's me and I'd be happy to test one of your new prototypes.

I'll PM you my info

Derin

[SlowShoe]

I'll be happy to demo as many as you can send :)

[CordesShoeing]

I'll be happy to demo as many as you can send :)

If these are up to the same standards as the last one you sent me John, feel free to let me test em out also!
-Chad

[George Geist]

Everybody,
After having used one of Mr Zarzecny's sample Wood-Miller Rasps for some time now, I will say to all of you as I told him privately that it is a good product. Dont anybody be afraid to try one.
George

[Dave Whitaker]

John,
I was going to wait until I had worn your rasp out before I responded to you about it but it seems that may take me into next week. The thing sure apparently has legs!

When I first started with it, I though it was a little "grabbier" than the Heller, but no where near as "grabby" as I found the other sample you sent me a while back. I am sure that more competent hands than mine might like this feel your rasps have when new. A half dozen horses in and I had what I would consider an "out of the box" Heller..... very similar feel and cut. I have now done 43 horses with this rasp this week so far and it is still servicable enough to stay on my "sharp" handle and not be relegated to the finish rasp slot. Now, I do take pretty good care of my trim rasp.... watch the dirt, rocks, etc., but still, your rasp appears to last longer than the Heller or the Safe Edge. (Your first rasp did as well, I just didn't like the way that one pushed).

I absolutely love the fine side. It has the nicest feel and cut of anything that I have used to date. Hell, I have found on most of my nipped feet, I can take a pass or two with the fine side of your rasp and I'm good to go.

Once you get to production with these I will certainly like to buy a box and give them a good try. Nice product, Thanks for letting me test drive it! Dave

[Gary Hill]

Mr. John, I wouldn't mind giving another one of your rasps a try. The first one really didn't last very long ,but we have had a really dry period. As of today we have had over 7 inches of rain since Christmas so feet are softer and rasps are lasting longer already - if ya brush off the mud first! Thanks I believe you have my address but if ya don't check with me or e-mail me at FtFrkGary@aol.com Thanks, Gary

[SlowShoe]

John,
I bought a box of the rasps from a freind (you know who), and well I'd like to try one of your new ones out before I go ahead and buy any more. I didnt like the feel as much. You had sent me a sample a while back (a year or so) and I liked it, but the ones out of this box didnt feel the same. These arent the New rasps, but the ones you had about a year ago. Anyway I'd love to sample the new one and if its what these guys are saying, I will place an order.

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Sir John, any word on exporting to Australia?

[Dave Whitaker]

Well, John I finally moved your prototype rasp to the finish handle this AM.....damn thing has 89 horses on it! Lasted a day shy of 2 weeks, and I usually average about a rasp and a half per week. Please be so kind as to inform me as soon as you have a box for sale! Great product...Dave

[danverschild]

I, too, am on my second week with the "prototype" rasp. Even though we're hock deep in mud, it's held up exceptionally well. The cutting side is well above average--cuts like a Bellota Top Sharp and lasts like a Heller Legend. The finish side is exceptional--better than anything I've used, short of a finish file.... Speaking of which, have you considered producing a finishing rasp?

[Rick Burten]

I used up my rasp about 10 days ago. I was usiing it side by side with the Heller Legend which has been my rasp of choice ever since it first came out. I trimmed about 70 head with each rasp and I like the WM almost as much as I do the HL. I told John I'd send the two rasps back to him for comparison, but even though he told me where to send them, I've lost that information. So, John, Help!.

I decided not to put either of the two rasps on the finish stand as I normally might do. That way, John can see how each rasp fared compared to the other on those horses.

Thanks John for allowing me to participate in the evaluation of your new rasp.

Now if you can get Anvil Brand Shoe Co. to stock them, I'll be a really happy camper. :)

Rick

[J.H. shoeing]

Dave

I think Andrew Grimm has some of those rasp, and I bet he would sell you a few.

[Red Amor]

Gday John

Mate are you sending any of your wonderfull rasps to Tassie

I know we arent as many as over there but we still like useing quallity gear yeah;)

[Derin Foor]

John,

I just finished using the rasp you sent me.........I got 57 horses out of it which is considerably more than I usually get out of the Heller Legend

the rasp resisted clogging and performed well especially given the muddy conditions we have been dealing with here

please let us know when they are available for sale

thanks for the opportunity to test the rasp

Derin

[Bo Terry]

John,

Is this "new" prototype everyone is raving about the same as the one I tried almost 2 years back, or have you changed the ingredients? If so, I'd like to give the new one a whirl.

Bo

[vthorseshoe]

John your proto type sound to be awesome. When are you coming out with a 17" to use on drafts ? :p

Bruce

[Gary Hill]

Mr John the UPS driver just delivered them to me so I will hopefully get to try them tomorrow as I have a dry barn scheduled! Thanks!

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Now if you can get Anvil Brand Shoe Co. to stock them, I'll be a really happy camper. :)

Rick
And if you do that, you will get into the Aussie market as well.

[Donald Ruff]

John,
The trial rasp is still in the process of being worn out. Started working it last friday with six horses.
This week it has seen 32 horses and there are eight more tomorrow and it is still holding strong.
I like the finish side much better than the other rasp you offer. The cutting side of the rasp feels some what dull when rasping, but it cuts none the less. I think what it is, is the teeth are not as aggressive as the Heller so it feels like it's not biting in to the hoof like the heller does.
It's starting to thaw out around here and the mud is coming back so this next week should be a topper to the trial run.
Thanks for the chance to participate in your trial run.
What is reatil going to be on the first 12,000 rasps and what are they going to be called?
Don Ruff

[Southerngurl]

Where can I purchase one of these rasps?

[NHFarrier]

http://www.woodmillersaw.com/

[Gary Hill]

John, I posted somewhere on this site the other day that I finally after 130 horses put your stock rasp into the finish rasp position and I am using your new prototype to work now. I admit we had over 9 inchs of rain just before and during the time I started the first rasp. We need rain now and the feet are much harder at this time. I wonder if the new rasp will work out the same? Stay tuned!

[Donald Ruff]

Sir John,
My prototype wood miller made it to the hot rasp about 2 weeks ago!!!

I got close to 70 - 80 head as a trimming rasp and another 60-70 as a finsih rasp. Got about 50 - 60 head as a hot rasp.

WOW. Thats a full book for that rasp!!!

Keep up with what you have.

Let me know when you need that proto production rasp tried out. I got plenty of ponies to wear her out on :D

Donald

[Rick Burten]

John,

I was not aware that the Heller's were not being produced in Ohio anymore. Or are they still produced there but soon to be in full production in SA? Will there be any way of knowing where the rasps are manufactured, or is it simply going to be a question the farrier will have to figure out based on rasp performance?

Is there a W-M distributor in Illinois?

Rick

[John Zarzecny]

John,

I was not aware that the Heller's were not being produced in Ohio anymore. Or are they still produced there but soon to be in full production in SA? Will there be any way of knowing where the rasps are manufactured, or is it simply going to be a question the farrier will have to figure out based on rasp performance?

Is there a W-M distributor in Illinois?

RickSir Rick

The manufacturing of all files & rasps at the former Simonds plant in Newcomerstown, Ohio has ceased.

All future Heller Legend rasps will be made by Mustad in Colombia, South America.

Once all the current stock USA made rasps are sold, they will be replaced by Mustad rasps from Colombia.

I do not know how they will be branded or if the tangs will continue to be painted white. However, if they are not stamped or marked with the country of origin directly on each rasp they will be in violation USA Customs regulations.

Best Regards

[Rick Burten]

Thanks John!

[Jack Evers]

Just a general rasp question - perhaps it could be another thread but I won't bother. I've mostly used Simmonds - that is another thread, another story - , but I recently bought a couple of dozen Diamond brand from an injured farrier. I was initially disappointed with their sharpness, but like the energizer bunny - they just keep going. During the damper parts of the year I might even learn to like them I'm getting amazing life. Who actually makes these rasps and what makes one last well ? i.e. the other side of this coin was the original save-edge: initially very sharp, but had a short lifetime.

Jack

[Dave Whitaker]

John,
I received the production run sample of your Ultra Sharp rasp and it is every bit as good as the prototypes you had me test. I truly get an extra 20 horses or so out of these rasps as compared to the Hellers and the Save Edges. They just don't clog up..... I think the fine side is the nicest cutting I have ever used. Thanks for the great product and the competetive pricing.... you have my order for my first dozen.......just don't run out of them. Thanks, Dave

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Has there been any movement on yhe AUstralian front, John?

[tbloomer]

Has there been any movement on yhe AUstralian front, John?Don't they have to put them in the box upside down to ship them to Australia? :D

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Gday John. You may wish to have a look at this site. http://www.odwyers.com.au . O'Dwyer produce their own shoes and anvils, plus distribute other brand tools, shoes and farrier supplies. These guys are well set in the Oz market as major distibutors. I would be glad to help in any way I can. There's no need to turn the rasps upside down to send them to Oz, just make sure the tangs point South instead of North. Please see the attached true map of the world Tom.

[tbloomer]

Do you find nine rasps in the box instead of six? :confused:

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Do you find nine rasps in the box instead of six? :confused:
Bloody classic mate. 15-0 Mr. Bloomer.

[Red Amor]

YOU CAN COUNT ME IN JOHNBOY:)
looking very much forward to have accsess to you rasps olson