Have rads, need help

[ndrorydr]

Ok, need some help here. 8 y/o QH mare. Sound on soft ground in a straight line. Walk her in a turn she is lame as well as lame on hard ground. Did not have the x-rays at the time I trimmed her since it was short notice that they wanted me to see her. Was able to get the x-rays later via email. She is very up right. Nothing was done with her for about 1 and a half years. I decided to start with a trim and get her angles back down so her pasterns atleast are in better line with her hoof angle. Then have them send rads and get some consult here on what to do next with possible shoes. Vet did not confirm navicular; I guess it's one of those mystery cases.

Starting angle was about 65deg, I trimmed her to a point I felt comfortable going. Her angle after was about 57-58deg. She did better after trimming, but still some lameness as mentioned above. Do I need to bring her angles down even more? Perhaps a reverse wedge?

rads can be found HERE (http://www.ephoofcare.com/shf_mare.htm)

Thanks to all who reply

Tim

[Derin Foor]

Hi Tim,

I think one of your biggest obstacles here is this horse has NO SOLE !

Furthermore the horse needs much more caudal support from the shoe. I think a reverse wedge would seal the deal for this horse and the owner would be calling for a backhoe.

Somehow, you need to get some sole on this horse to start with...... banana shoes perhaps?.... works for a lot of horses when applied properly.

Good x-rays. that's a start..... best of luck to you

Derin

[Jaye Perry]

Derin Foor-
I think one of your biggest obstacles here is this horse has NO SOLE !


There is one answer to numerous pathologies in the Rads. Obliques would have disauded the possibility of articular ringbone in the coffin joint in the RF- All the joint(s) spacings sux. pedal osteoitis is prevelant. sclerosis on one of the proximal chondrlys of the pastern, on, on and on.....

Good Luck:)

[ndrorydr]

There is one answer to numerous pathologies in the Rads. Obliques would have disauded the possibility of articular ringbone in the coffin joint in the RF- All the joint(s) spacings sux. pedal osteoitis is prevelant. sclerosis on one of the proximal chondrlys of the pastern, on, on and on.....

Good Luck:)

:confused: man I've got a lot to learn about reading rads. :confused:

[calshoer]

To add to what Jaye said she is out of balance medial laterally both feet. Even though it appears she may have been leaning in some of the pics, the bottom of P3 is clearly not level to the ground medial laterally. .
And if she happens to have any collateral ligament or coffin joint strain or damage that imbalance would contribute to pain in the turns.
Shoes are definitely in order, to protect the distal end of P3 and to something to ease breakover ALL around the foot .
A wide web lots of breakover 'ringbone' type set up. With a good pad to ease concussion under it.
And rebalancing the feet for medial lateral balance is for sure needed . Balance to the XRays or the sole plane, NOT sighting down the leg.
Patty

[tbloomer]

. . . it was short notice that they wanted me to see her.Why is this an emergency? Proper husbandry for horses requires regular hoof care. What excuse did the owner give for bad husbandry? There's always an excuse.

Nothing was done with her for about 1 and a half years.Its hard to believe that all the osteomorphic (I think I just invented a new word :) ) stuff happened in only 1-1/2 years . . . see above. Does the owner think regular means every 18 months?

From looking at the rads it is obvious that this horse has a long history of improper management. Just make sure the owner doesn't try to blame you for the situation. AND don't be surprised if they try to shoot the messenger.

[tbloomer]

There is one answer to numerous pathologies in the Rads.Would that one answer be "replacement therapy?" :)

[ndrorydr]

Why is this an emergency? Proper husbandry for horses requires regular hoof care. What excuse did the owner give for bad husbandry? There's always an excuse.

Its hard to believe that all the osteomorphic (I think I just invented a new word :) ) stuff happened in only 1-1/2 years . . . see above. Does the owner think regular means every 18 months?

From looking at the rads it is obvious that this horse has a long history of improper management. Just make sure the owner doesn't try to blame you for the situation. AND don't be surprised if they try to shoot the messenger.

You are absolutely right about the need for proper and regular hoof care. The whole story is the mare was aquired/rescued by a theuraputic riding center. This mare has the sweetest personality and she hoped the mares lameness issues could be corrected. I found out after I posted on horseshoes that the mare will not be in the program and has since found another good home. I figured it would still be good to post the rads to learn what I'm looking at. Perhaps if someone has a minute they could use their photoshop skills to point at areas that indicate things like pedal osteoitis and why the joint spacing sux ;)

Tim

[seminolewind]

I agree that the hooves are out of balance from side to side. I would leave as much sole as possible.
Does anyone think that this horse is a bit high in the heel? And the toes too long? Karen

[Complete Equine]

I am definitely a newbie at reading rads, and I have a few questions for you. Along with what has already been mentioned; Judging by the flared tip of the p3 on the LF, does anyone else think this horse may have foundered in the past? Also, I thought I saw the beginning's of ringbone (proximal end of short pastern) and sidebones, is that correct?