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pepps001
01-14-2005, 02:01 PM
I work for a ranch that runs drafts on concrete pulling a heavy trolley. One of our horses, a 5 year old Belgian mare (approximately 18hh and 2,000 lbs--she's a big girl) has always had a good deal of bruising in her feet ever since she arrived (prior work was Amish farm plowing--unshod, untrimmed). She works in steel kegs with toe clips all the way around and four uniform borium welds, two on the toe quarters and two on the heels of each shoe. We have two farriers that provide her care--one CJF on CF--both with a good deal of overall and draft experience. Her shoes are hot seated. Of the 28 horses in our herd, the farriers cite this mare's feet as having exceptionally good horn quality. She does have four white socks and four white feet. She does grow a lot of hoof each time and is trimmed and reshod or reset every 6 weeks. We feed her primarily oat and bermuda hay with a one pound scoop of beet pulp/oat mix. She also gets 2 ounces of Grand Hoof daily. We put no hoof dressing on our horses and will treat thrush if it arrises with an effective amount of Thrush Buster.

This mare has had no problems with her feet since we have owned her--almost two years. She is a good worker with good work ethic. Several people that drive her have become concerned that she is lame. At first these people suggested she had hip problems. She was then vet checked twice very thoroughly. Her feet/lower legs have been x-rayed and she shows no sign of sidebone or ringbone. Nor does she show any deformity that might cause lameness issues. The vet found her perfectly sound.

She is slightly pigeon toed in the front and has a bit of a hotter attitude. When she works (we are meant to always walk our horses on the concrete), she walks with a short, animated stride, and her feet make a stabbing motion as they hit the ground. Many drivers cannot keep her at a walk, however, so depending on who is handling her, she can be prone to bouts of jigging or outright trotting.

Pulling up slight hills and through turns where it is more difficult to pull the care, the mare will cross over from right to left (making left turns) with her hind end. The vet examined this as well as examining her pulling the trolley on a normal work day. His suggestion was that it is definitely not lameness but that some amount of cross over in turns is a sign of a healthy and sound horse and that this mare generates her power train from her hind end--chosing to push with her quarters rather than pull with her shoulders.

At maximum the mare will work 3 days a week, not consecutively, 2 hours each shift, for a maximum of 6 hours each week. She also gets a lot of vacation time. Last year she worked a total of 92 days (about 20% of which were not on concrete at all). She is kept mostly in dirt pasture or in a large box stall with 3/4" rubber matting over concrete bedded 8"-12" deep with pine shavings.

Concerned drivers are now suggesting that bruising is causing her "lameness". However, the bruising has never appeared to affect her work or even cause her to be tender. The farriers are aware of her bruising and have been questioned about it on several occasions but are not very concerned as they do not see it is affecting her work.

What is the probable cause of her bruising? Does it appear to be affecting her work? If so, what can be done about the bruising?

Thank you for your feedback. I apologize for the wordiness of the post--just want you to have all the facts to make your best educated guess.

Phil Armitage
01-14-2005, 09:01 PM
It is easy to see bruising in white feet, it is there in dark feet also but people do not react becuase they do not see it. Can you post pictures? It sounds like there shod well, the only thing I might do different is add breakover, I do not like toe clips and know some good Farriers out there will argue with my opinion. I look at it this way, all the work that horse is doing and that much traction probably add a lot of pull on the Lamina and easing the breakover would probably help. But pictures are worth a thousand words. If the drivers feel something, there probably right, there the ones that know her best. I am assumeing they drive the other horses and are experienced drivers and know what there talking about. Wouldnt hurt for the Farriers to listen to the Drivers and try something different and see if the Drivers feel any different, maybe everyone could learn something from this experience including the Vet.

calshoer
01-14-2005, 09:43 PM
The fact she is continually showing bruising in the walls suggests she may have ongoing very mild "road founder" (chronic inflammation in her laminae from the pounding). This would be especially true if her hoof walls are taking the entire impact and load due to the frog being off the ground and lack of dirt packed into her feet on the concrete. I suggest you try encorprating her frogs into the load sharing with some frog support pads. That will do two things..it will remove some of the impact from the hoofwalls, and it will encourage her to reach out better and land heel first instead of stabbing her toes. You will either have to make the pads up special or you can buy them from EDSS inc. . They make Frog supports pads up special for some of the Budweiuser Clydesdales. I am sure they would make you some of you call them. . They use a large thick flat draft horse pad and make the frog support part out of rubber mat material. I am not sure how they fasten the two pieces together. Patty

Jason Maki
01-14-2005, 10:09 PM
Phil,
I will put my borium spots at the top of the crease, judt in front of the toe nail, or on the inside edge of the concave rim. On concrete, would that not set the breakover at the dots, not at the toe? I do a few drafts, and the clip is essential to keep them from sliding over or spinning out of the shoe, although side clips would work. They would look really funny on a drafter, though!
Patty, gave good advice about frog support, I think.
Jason

Phil Armitage
01-15-2005, 09:00 AM
Jason, I do the same thing, I understand the need for toe clips, however I still do not like them. I do not like how you have to burn and notch them into the toe, never liked the idea of invading the horn that much. I preffer side clips, I also find a balanced trim to the sole plane eliminates strain on the horn and nailing the primary reason for using clips is the strain on nails and weak horn. Fix those two and no matter how big the horse there will be less to worry about. I do not do Drafts but I have shod many warm blood hunters who were always in clips that are doing great without them now. Anyways, Patty's suggetion is a good one.

Dave Purves
01-15-2005, 09:57 AM
That large of a horse, on concrete or dirt with any kind of traction is going to need clips of some kind. I toe clip the front and quarter clip the hind. The problem with using the keg shoes for those big guys is that the shoes come toe clipped and the clips invade so much of the width of the shoe that in order to fit them you have to cut a large portion of the hoofwall out with your nippers to properly fit the shoe. If you pull the clips yourself you can avoid that and not invade the hoofwal near as much. I think frog support could help but I would bet that the bruises are not necessarily in the hoofwall but that nice crecent shape of the coffin bone. I shoe a couple of the big guys that do wagon rides at a local park and see the same thing during the season, after summer, the bruises go away. Last year I put them in a very large leather rim pad. ( I used two regular leather pads, cut them into rim pads and then doubled them up) and that seemed to cut down on the bruising quite a bit. I've seen a lot of pigeon toed drafts, and the vet is right those big guys pull with their hind ends. Many drafts are really toed out in the back end cause the closer their hocks are together the more "power" they can generate. Their legs work like pistons, and the closer to the center of gravity they are the more power is generated with less effort, hence the reason for scotch bottoms. Even though hock lameness is going to eventually happen.
just some thoughts
Dave Purves CF :)

FrankLaursen
03-12-2005, 05:50 PM
I would question a few things;
One: how are the clips being seated ? if they are just being nipped and hammered up to the foot then right away a bruise working down
Two: if the heads of the traction material is not applied exactly in the same spot on each side and the same amount then you get a twisting motion depending on which side you have more on.
I would try not putting any traction at the toe and rounding the toe of the shoe as if it was worn abit, equal on each side of center out to the toe quarters this will acomplish two things one the shoe could absorb more of the concusion (spelling) not just the spots of traction also if the break over so no extra stress on the toes but appling the traction material on the heels of each heel then it would not so dramatic just keep the amount of the puddle low to the level of the shoe

Frank