EDSS Styrofoam pads

[Corey M innick]

I prescribed said foam pads to a customer today, I was wondering about the life of these pads.

I have had bank robber shoes on this horse in particular for awhile, with little headway being made. The mare is a chronic laminitis case, with no integrity on the toe 1/4's. She is also a pasture orniment. I pulled the shoes to see how comfy barefoot she was, b/c her sole was bearing weight with the reverse shoes, anyway. Eggbars are not an option, at this time, due to the loss of integrity, and the relation of the coffin bone within the hoof capsule. No pics at this time, will work on it 2 weeks when I'm back there.

She was indifferint, and the client took it upon herself to cut a pair of her husband's flop-flops to fit the foot, and taped them on. She showed the most improvement thus far with that, so I showed her on the computer the styrofoam boards. She ordered the boards, and 2 pairs of the clogs. One for this horse, and one for her other foundered mare.

Don't think she is neglecting these animals, she takes good care of them, and spares no expense. She is no longer able to ride and her horses helped her to get over breast cancer.

Feedback on the pads and clogs is appreciated.

[Jaye Perry]

Corey M innick-I prescribed said foam pads to a customer today, I was wondering about the life of these pads.
Should have wrote "recommended"; "prescribed" is above CFJ status.:cool:

I have had bank robber shoes on this horse in particular for awhile, with little headway being made. The mare is a chronic laminitis case, with no integrity on the toe 1/4's. She is also a pasture orniment.
Longevity for foam in a pasture is not good.




I pulled the shoes to see how comfy barefoot she was, b/c her sole was bearing weight with the reverse shoes, anyway. Eggbars are not an option, at this time, due to the loss of integrity, and the relation of the coffin bone within the hoof capsule. No pics at this time, will work on it 2 weeks when I'm back there.

Pics would be good, rads would better.

She was indifferint, and the client took it upon herself to cut a pair of her husband's flop-flops to fit the foot, and taped them on. She showed the most improvement thus far with that, so I showed her on the computer the styrofoam boards. She ordered the boards, and 2 pairs of the clogs. One for this horse, and one for her other foundered mare.
Two cases in one trip, bless your heart!!!!:D

Don't think she is neglecting these animals, she takes good care of them, and spares no expense. She is no longer able to ride and her horses helped her to get over breast cancer.
If she has no problem with expenses, get some blood work, new and frequent rads and some stalls.

Feedback on the pads and clogs is appreciated.
Styrofoam has a purpose ; profile away from ground, dynamic support and a tool to stabilize until a shoeing protocol is decided on.

[Corey M innick]

Should have wrote "recommended"; "prescribed" is above CFJ status.:cool:

my faux puax.

Longevity for foam in a pasture is not good.

Forgot to mention they are in a stall 14 hrs a day yr round.

If she has no problem with expenses, get some blood work, new and frequent rads and some stalls.

Small animal vet she is working with doesn't want to do blood work, these aren't the only horses he has refused blood work on at my recommendation. No problem getting rads at my request, they are not digital, though. He also keeps the copys, after I request them. The client doesn't wish to call a vet I recommend, so I just do what I can to please the horses first and everyone else second.

Two cases in one trip, bless your heart!!!!

I'm a glutten for punnishment, especially when the vet comes out every time to sedate, and the big ol' Morgans love to lay on me in their drunken state.

[Jaye Perry]

......I'm a glutten for punnishment, especially when the vet comes out every time to sedate, and the big ol' Morgans love to lay on me in their drunken state.
There in lays the problem, pardon the punn.

Morgans are prediposed to Cushings. Send your client to Ms. Katy's Watts Safegrass.org

A little talk to the client and vet about metabolic issues may help.

Here is a Morgan with the same or somewhat the same vet and owner. Passive treatment instead of proactive tretament created this:

[Corey M innick]

Morgans are prediposed to Cushings. Send your client to Ms. Katy's Watts Safegrass.org

A little talk to the client and vet about metabolic issues may help.

These gals have all the signs, and when pointed out and after a discussion on the metabolic issues, the vet agreed on the signs and symptoms, but declined to get aggressive. I'm scratching my head as to what to say and do to get the point across without p*ssing off the parties involved. Did I mention this vet has an ego, and is set in his ways?

I'll mention the safegrass. Right now the turnout is on a small paddock with limited grass. They all eat it as soon as it sprouts.

[Jaye Perry]

Corey M innick-These gals have all the signs, and when pointed out and after a discussion on the metabolic issues, the vet agreed on the signs and symptoms, but declined to get aggressive. I'm scratching my head as to what to say and do to get the point across without p*ssing off the parties involved. Did I mention this vet has an ego, and is set in his ways?

Sometimes a Holy Come To Jesus Meetin' has to be held. We can recommend, give insightful diatribes and coddle, but sometimes we need to adjust attitudes or walk away.




I'll mention the safegrass. Right now the turnout is on a small paddock with limited grass. They all eat it as soon as it sprouts

It is a good site for "farriers" and clients, vets do sometimes visit.

[Corey M innick]

Sometimes a Holy Come To Jesus Meetin' has to be held. We can recommend, give insightful diatribes and coddle, but sometimes we need to adjust attitudes or walk away.

I've introduced a horse or two to Jesus, time to switch to clients and vets. I'm tired of playing second fiddle to a bunch of people who are behind the curve. I usually put the information out there, and let the client decide. I've walked away from a few horses b/c the owner had their head up their ---. But who do they call back in a couple of shoeings to fix their horses? ;)

Maybe its time to push the issue, me thinks it'll be easier in the long run.

[calshoer]

The styrofoam is intended to be very temporary, just a stop gap either in the acute p0hase of laminitis before shoes, or for mild cazes where they can go back to barefoot after a mild laminitis settles down, or times like in between shoeings such as when the shoes had to be pulled for treating abscess or whatever. They are intended to be used only several days to a week. As well a few chronic laminitis/ metabolic /sinker types hate the styrofoam because it causes too much movement in the heels and pressure on the middle of the foot, where some of them are most sensitive.
The clogs are your best bet on the chronics like this but dont just try to put them on without a little instruction. If the owner didnt but an application video with the clogs, call EDSS and talk to the boys there about getting an instruction video on their application. They can be glued on too, which will give you a way to rebuild some length and integrity of the hoofwall while gettting the clogs attached ,all in one package. PS get on the internet and get the vet some information that is writtenby other vets about Equine metabolic syndrome. They are more accepting when the info comes from veterinary sources. Try looking up Dr Joyce Harman, Dr Phillip Johnson, Dr Madelyne Ward, and the references that Katy Watts lists in safergrass.org. Print whatever you can find that is from a veterinarian and share it with both the horse owner and the vet.

Patty

[Mike Bailey]

In a cushings horse the barometric pressure change can effect them when they are not treated or on the pergalide.
Due you agree with this Jaye?
Mike

[Jaye Perry]

In a cushings horse the barometric pressure change can effect them when they are not treated or on the pergalide.
Due you agree with this Jaye?
Mike
Pressure gradients, wind direction, moon phases. The hormones are s-crewed, Dr. Walsh had interesting theroy: Seasonal changes reflect energy storages in which chronic episodes are seen, with more severity, in the fall months.(parphrased).

Even with Peroglide, episodes do occur but with less frequency.

[Mike Bailey]

Thanks Jaye just checking.
I had noticed it in some past cases.
Mike

[Katy Watts]

In a cushings horse the barometric pressure change can effect them when they are not treated or on the pergalide.
Mike

My ConnemaraX melted down with laminitis again late last fall, the day after a horrible wind storm that had my horse trailer traveling around the place and crashing into trees, and a 30F temperature change from one day to the next. I was also after I had knee surgery, so she was not being exercised, which is preventative. Don't know if it was barametric pressure, or the stress of the storm and blowing dirt. She was on pergolide. She stabilized and came sound late spring after I raised the dose to 4 mg per day. She's now on 2 mg/day, and I ride even when my knees hurt.
Increases in ACTH have been do***ented by Dr. Donaldson at Penn State in even clinically normal horses starting Sept through mid winter. Theory is that this sets off the early stage Cushings cases who already have slightly elavated ACTH. Any kind of stress will set them off, heat, deep cold, wind, stamping flies, anxiety of loosing a buddy, long trailer ride, etc.
Katy

[Mike Bailey]

When some of the horses I have worked on and am currently working on have had these episodes, it has been when the weather has changed quickly from warm to damp cold.
Mike

[Corey M innick]

Thanks, Patty and Katy. I've been busy reading. Nice site Katy, alot of good info. I like people who put out good information with no slant that "this is the only way," and let the consumer make up their own mind.

[Katy Watts]

g. Nice site Katy, alot of good info. I like people who put out good information with no slant that "this is the only way," and let the consumer make up their own mind.

No, the HORSE will dictate what works. The pituitary is like the control panel of a airplane. When it gets damaged, no telling what function is affected. The owner must experiment and observe and see what works on THAT particular horse. The management program must be customized in order to be most effective.
Katy

[Corey M innick]

No, the HORSE will dictate what works. The pituitary is like the control panel of a airplane. When it gets damaged, no telling what function is affected. The owner must experiment and observe and see what works on THAT particular horse. The management program must be customized in order to be most effective.
Katy


Katy- me likes your point of view, thats the way I like to approach shoeing. Let the horse dictate the needs; not the owner, the trainer, the vet.....

Jaye- Just had a heart to heart with the client, and convinced her to have the vet test for Insulin Resistance and Cushings. If her regular vet wouln't, I refered her to another equine practice that she will call. So at least I'm makin a little head way.

[Jaye Perry]

Corey M innick.......
Jaye- Just had a heart to heart with the client, and convinced her to have the vet test for Insulin Resistance and Cushings. If her regular vet wouln't, I refered her to another equine practice that she will call. So at least I'm makin a little head way.
Good. BTW congrats on your Jousting award Pard!!!

[Corey M innick]

Good. BTW congrats on your Jousting award Pard!!!

Thanks, now my family can get off my back. They've been wanting me to win for 7 years now, so we are the first family with 3 generations of state and national champs.

[Phil Armitage]

I prescribed said foam pads to a customer today, I was wondering about the life of these pads.

I have had bank robber shoes on this horse in particular for awhile, with little headway being made. The mare is a chronic laminitis case, with no integrity on the toe 1/4's. She is also a pasture orniment. I pulled the shoes to see how comfy barefoot she was, b/c her sole was bearing weight with the reverse shoes, anyway. Eggbars are not an option, at this time, due to the loss of integrity, and the relation of the coffin bone within the hoof capsule. No pics at this time, will work on it 2 weeks when I'm back there.

She was indifferint, and the client took it upon herself to cut a pair of her husband's flop-flops to fit the foot, and taped them on. She showed the most improvement thus far with that, so I showed her on the computer the styrofoam boards. She ordered the boards, and 2 pairs of the clogs. One for this horse, and one for her other foundered mare.

Don't think she is neglecting these animals, she takes good care of them, and spares no expense. She is no longer able to ride and her horses helped her to get over breast cancer.

Feedback on the pads and clogs is appreciated.

Hi Corey, I have been useing the foam blocks for a few years on anything from mild laminitis to severe chronic laminits. Some horses that I have used them on have been in them for a few weeks. They do not hold up to wet turn out or large turn out. The latest chronic laminitis case with severe rotation the blocks were on for 3 weeks. It did help to manage her pain a lot. The next step is over my head so I am refering the owner to someone with more experience and will be standing over his shoulder learning all I can. I used elasticon tape this time and that works better than duct tape, not as hard on the heel bulbs. Hope everything works out for this horse.

[Corey M innick]

Thanks, Phil my client orderded 3 sets of pads to hold her through for 2 weeks, and to have in the future. She also ordered a couple pairs of the clogs, so I'm gonna give them a shot on both the mares. They need a change, maybe this will help out in a shot or long term basis, we'll see. The client has kept improvised foam pads on cut out of a piece of foam made for gardening. Improvization is the mother of invention. It was one of your old posts that gave me the foam block idea, so I better give credit where credit is due.