is this white line ? Me thinks it is and wasn't cleaned out properly the first time

[vthorseshoe]

I do 2 belgians in a barn where there are 2 english/dressage/hunter jumper who knows what are also owned.
Another shoer does these 2.
The owner told me about one of these horses having had a hoof wall resection and then acrylic put in a while back.
She said the foot grew down to about , well you can see from the pictures.

You can still take a nail and inset it up under the wall and go in approx. a full inch


she asked my advice.

I said I would post it on this site and let you folks give suggestions and then relate them to her.

So cut loose and have at it.

[vthorseshoe]

this is the horse other photo's coming up

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[tbloomer]

Hoof rot, hoof wall disease, WLD, whatever . . . it's all anaerobic. If you cover it up with something, it's going to grow. Either keep it open and exposed to air or put some kind of medication under the patch. Best not to patch unless you are very sure you got oll of it. I use merthiolate under a patch. Contains tincture of mercury. Very toxic, stays there until the hoof grows out, turns everything a pretty pink hue. :)

Looks like that hoof is going to loose its integrity pretty soon. May as well put on a heart bar, do another resection and leave it open and exposed to air. It will be ugly, but at least the owner can clean it out and treat the area with a disinfectant . . . white lightning gel, merthiolate, durasole, thrush buster . . . anything that is toxic to bacteria and fungus. Keeping the hoof dry helps a lot too, fungus needs moisture to grow.

[Mike Bailey]

I worked on a new case today hoof has already lost its integerty.
If could only figure out how resize my pics I could post them.
Shod the horse in sigafoss series 1 and equi-pak removed the cuff in the effected area.This horse was in bad shape and jumping 3 foot. :eek:
Mike

[Mike Bailey]

Here is the first pics I took of the rt front dorsal,lateral, and solar view.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso001.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso002.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso006.jpg

[Mike Bailey]

Here are pics of the resection.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso011.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso013.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso014.jpg

[Mike Bailey]

Pics of finished resection and shod foot.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso017.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso016.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso024.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso025.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/Chesapeake_Forge/VegasGeroso030.jpg

[Andrew Grimm]

Mike,
Great Job. I have two cases I'm working on now. The pictures of those 2 horses are on this forum. The one is turning out really well and the other I just did again yesterday and isn't doing good. The first time I did the horses in White line disease pics from today and cont. I reesected the hoof very similarly to what you did and used adhere to cover it not leaving an opening which I know now not to do. I did get a little deep and hit alittle blood that first time and the next day he was lame. Every experienced that before? I don't know weather it was the heat from the glue or from hitting that one spot? Anyhow, yesterday I saw the horse again and went to clean the affected area to fing that the WL has worked its way up the wall again. He blew an abcess about 2 months ago and left a tract(it looks like a black line) along with other black lines that I couldn't clean out this time because I swore I was going to draw blood if I went anyfurther. I wondering if it's a losing battle with some horses? The hoof has grown down about 3 inches from the hairline and has been doing great. I've cleaned the foot every 5 weeks with dremel and Mersol while the owner treats with White lightning in between. If I was to clean and expose the black lines I would be back to square 1 again. Anyone have this problem before? any advice? Thank you.


Andrew Grimm

[Mike Bailey]

Andrew,
I have my clients coat the area with vicks vapor rub between my visits after I have made sure I have completely debrided the area.
It really helps Mike wildenstine showed me this method.
Gotta go to work, see you at Amsterdam?
Mike

[Andrew Grimm]

Mike,
Ok, Thanks. Yes, I'll see up there tomorrow. Off to work too. In the rain. :mad:

Andrew Grimm

[Mike Bailey]

Bruce,
I appoligize for jumping in on your thread but I had come home from shoeing this horse and was planing to start one.
But like Tom Bloomer said you have to open it up and get rid of any white or black areas down to good horn even if you end up hiting some blood.
I prefer to use white lightning soaks in a boot made from a tire tube at 10 nto 15 min. each untill it poors out of the boot clean as long as there is enough integerty in the foot. If not I use the gel but the soaks have had better and quicker success.
Man can it get a foot clean.
Then have your client cover the area with vick's vapor rub for turn out ect. This is how mike showed me in 2004 and I Have had 5 cases since, It has not failed me yet.
Best of luck, Mike

[tbloomer]

Bruce,
I appoligize for jumping in on your thread but I had come home from shoeing this horse and was planing to start one.
But like Tom Bloomer said you have to open it up and get rid of any white or black areas down to good horn even if you end up hiting some blood.
You shouldn't need to go to blood. Oxygen in the blood prevents anaerobic decomposition. WLD does not infect the insensitive lamina due to its proximity to the blood supply of the sensitive lamina. Of course when you are debriding there's always the chance that you're going to go a little further than needed and pop open a few capillaries - it's hard NOT to do that. :) YMMV

[Mike Bailey]

I did not say go to blood Tom just that you could end up geting in to it and that is still ok. Matter of fact it depends on the severity of the case at hand as to whether you will hit a few caps or not. The point is if you do not debride the area well enough the first time it just takes longer to get trough it.
Mike

[tbloomer]

I did not say go to blood Tom just that you could end up geting in to it and that is still ok. Matter of fact it depends on the severity of the case at hand as to whether you will hit a few caps or not. The point is if you do not debride the area well enough the first time it just takes longer to get trough it.
Mike
Yea, it's a race between the new horn growth and the fungus eating the horn. It's hard to get any kind of antifungal chemical to penetrate more than a few cell layers. Wet conditions with the infection site closed off to air . . . seems like the bigger the infection the faster it grows. I much prefer to prevent this stuff in the first place rather than treating it after it goes out of control. I see it mostly in horses that go too long between shoeings.

I disinfect old nail holes on every horse I shoe. So far this practice has kept it from happening in any horses on my books. I just have to deal with it on new horses occasionally.

[cgbighat1]

Mike
What do you use to cut the cloth on those sigafoos shoes? That's some tough stuff. :confused:

[Mike Bailey]

I use to use regular scissors but you call sound horse they now sell shears made just for cutting kevlar ect.
I think I only paid 30 or 35 dollars for them and they cut it like butter,THEY ARE WORTH THE MONEY. :)
Mike

[Mike Bailey]

Bruce,
Dose this horse have a medial lateral imbalance being longer on the medial qtr.?
It seems to me this foot is compromized flareing in all directions,is it really wet where you are ? the coranary ban seems swollen.
I think if this was my clients horse I would request xrays just to be on the safe side ( check for sinking) Also with a dorso shot you can check mediolateral balance.
Mike

[Complete Equine]

What is the easiest tool for doing these types of resections? I'm assuming you are using a dremel, but what kind of bit/tip? If anyone has a pic or suggestion that would be great! Thanks.

[hoofnhound]

What is the easiest tool for doing these types of resections? I'm assuming you are using a dremel, but what kind of bit/tip? If anyone has a pic or suggestion that would be great! Thanks.


I use my half rounds on the loose,severely undermined area, then move to the dremel for refinement when I start getting close to where the wld is petering out.

[bumfoot SHOER]

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bruce i can't find the link to the pic of the feet or did i just not see the link .bryan

[beslagsmed]

Great job on the fix. Mike W. is great at this. I have spent time with him and learned a lot. We did a Q horse stud who had WLD on all 4 feet. Was a great experinece doing all for on that guy.

[FarrierCarrier]

i have had good success w/ WLD soaking feet in Clean TRAX.

[Red Amor]

Please tell me more about the vic's whats is got in it and whats it doing
thanks Mate yeah

[calshoer]

What is the easiest tool for doing these types of resections? I'm assuming you are using a dremel, but what kind of bit/tip? If anyone has a pic or suggestion that would be great! Thanks.I use half rounds on the most seperated/loose parts, then get the edges with a really sharp loop knife. I don't like all that stuff flying around from a dremmel.