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Kaydence
09-18-2006, 03:25 AM
I'm working on a horse who had foundered 3 years ago. I've been working on him for almost a year now. He had a relapse of some sort last week and rads were taken on Friday. I have had the horse in Eventers and last time I did him I put a pad from the tip of the frog back (leaving the toe area open) and filled it with equi-thane in order to see if I could support prolapsed frogs and the bony column in general. Anyway, owner said horse moved better with this set up for the first three or four weeks then he went sore all of a sudden. (our weather took a change but the horse isn't on pasture, just paddock turn out with a buddy so not a reaction to grass.). Friday the vet took new rads. They show the same 3 to 5 degrees of rotation as vet had seen three years ago (I've still never seen the old rads) and some slight sinking.

Vet wanted heartbars put on. I went and did them (reluctantly) today. When I pulled the old shoes, the prolapsed frog on the right foot was no longer an issue as after the foot was trimmed up, the frog was flush with the hoof wall for the first time since I've know the horse. The other frog showed improvment but not as much. When I chatted to the owner a bit about the vets comments about the equi-thane he said the vet told him that the equi-thane was creating too much pressure on the bony column and thus his reason for wanting the heartbars instead.

I'd much prefer to go with the equi-thane as the horse was sound with it for a number of weeks and I don't believe the lameness starting up later was caused by the pads. I was happy with the improvments to the foot with the set up I had on the horse. And basically, the idea of getting a heartbar just right stresses the h*ll out of me. I am much more comfortable with the equi-thane. I feel the pressure from the equi-thane, being more spread out and being flexible, is more gentle on the horse than the heartbar could be. What am I missing here?

I did as the vet instructed but I'm really hoping to go back to the equi-thane (preferably before I have to make another pair of god awful heartbars!) eventually.

I have talked the owner into attending the farrier conference next month that Katy Watts is a guest speaker at as well as Jim Ferrie as there will be lots on founder. I told the owner I'd like him to be on the same page as me with some newer ideas and he was very open to it.

Before you ask to see pics or the rads, I took pics seven weeks ago but they didn't turn out (I was so discouraged that I'm not bothering to try and take more photos without my other half to take them for me. It is his camera and he can figure out how to fix the lighting) and the owner has the rads. I don't know how to post the rads on line anyway so I didn't bother asking for them, even though they would be very nice to have copies of myself.

mmhorseshoeing
09-18-2006, 07:13 AM
Kaydence
A lot of time the shoe application gets the blame for lameness if there is not something specific in the diagnostics. You need to sit down and talk to the vet and let them know that you are not comfortable in applying heart bars. Let the vet know that the horse did well until the hoof grew out. Most founders that I have dealt with need to be readdressed at four week intervals. The equthane in my mind and experience does displace the load of the hoof in a more even manner, than just a heart bar but in some cases the heart bar alone works better I always try to see where the horse is most comfortable and go from there. Good luck

Ronald Aalders
09-18-2006, 01:30 PM
A heartbar places pressure on a limited area of the foot. While it may be effective in some instances I have not heard of a correctly applied pour in or DIM type of posterior foot support failing to be succesfull where a heartbar was.

If the vet feels a heart bar is needed make one, leave like 1/4" between bar and frog and fill up with pour in. Makes everybody happy.


Ronald Aalders

Kaydence
09-18-2006, 02:17 PM
A heartbar places pressure on a limited area of the foot. While it may be effective in some instances I have not heard of a correctly applied pour in or DIM type of posterior foot support failing to be succesfull where a heartbar was.

If the vet feels a heart bar is needed make one, leave like 1/4" between bar and frog and fill up with pour in. Makes everybody happy.


Ronald Aalders

Ok, so I'm not totally evil for having already thought about doing that?

Cheri

Ronald Aalders
09-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Ok, so I'm not totally evil for having already thought about doing that?

Cheri

No ma'am you sure are not!


Ronald Aalders

tbloomer
09-18-2006, 09:30 PM
Ok, so I'm not totally evil for having already thought about doing that?

Cheri
No. But don't think it was an original thought either. :)

There's no magic bullet that works on every founder. Try different stuff and learn the good and not so good about each method.

Mike Bailey
09-18-2006, 09:50 PM
I agree with Ronald,I have used this combo on several cases with good outcomes,it is not the cure for the common cold but I have even used it with navicular horses with a good deal of success.
Mike

Appassionato
09-19-2006, 08:38 PM
Sorry to but in, I'm no farrier and new to this forum. Rick Burten refered me to here from COTH. I will be posting my horse's case soon, I have pictures but really need to put up x-rays as well. I won't have pictures of the x-rays until Friday afternoon.

After the clumsy introduction, may I ask what kind of poor in pads you guys recommend? I've been thinking very seriously about it for my horse's founder (sinker).

Thanks everyone, I'm trying to get up as much info as I can to make an informed decision and ultimately benefit my horse. :)

SlowShoe
09-20-2006, 12:52 AM
After the clumsy introduction, may I ask what kind of poor in pads you guys recommend? I've been thinking very seriously about it for my horse's founder (sinker).

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