Visual Ringbone

[concernedhorseowner2]

http://s2.supload.com/free/LF_hoof.jpg/view/
http://s2.supload.com/free/RF_hoof.jpg/view/

From these pictures, can anyone see ringbone? I know it is diagnosed by radiograph. The vet was able to look at her and see the ringbone before any radiographs were taken. I would like to see if it is as easy as she made it seem and if someone would mind showing me waht you see as the ringbone. Maybe this will help me in the future be able to spot a potential problem.

[concernedhorseowner2]

:confused: Ok...was it just a ****** question or was no one able to see it? :rolleyes: It is very unusual to post something and not get someone to respond....I am think the answer is ****** question but would like feedback.

[Gary Hill]

Its a Vets job to diagnois not ours. You show us some x-rays and I'm sure someone will be glad to answer. Best, Gary

[Dave Purves]

It's really hard to tell much from the pictures you gave us, maybe some side shots, and some from different angles would help. But you must remeber you're asking us to spot a 3 dimensional problem on a 2 dimensional picture. Many times palpation is better. If the vet was there, looked at the horse and could lay hands on the horse, I would guess the vet was correct. I would also ask for radiographs so you can see the extent of the ringbone and come up with a comprehensive plan to help it.

Dave

[Ronald Aalders]

Have X rays made. There is no way anyone can tell exactly what the extend of the ringbone is without X rays. With X rays the exact location can be determined and appropriate shoeing suggested.


Ronald Aalders

[calshoer]

Sometimes very tiny ringbone that is not visible to the naked eye but can cripple a horse becaise it situated in a joint, and some ringbone that is large enough to easuily see may not because it is not in the joint. And some ringbone is down in the coffin joint, below the hairline so it cant be seen on the surface umtil it gets grossly large. Xays are needed to accurately diagnose ringbone. .
Patty

[concernedhorseowner2]

I did have radiographs done and there is early ringbone on the coffin joint. The vet saw it during the visual exam and then confirmed it with the radiographs. I was just trying to get some input to see if anyone else could see it as easily as the vet did. I felt very bad that I had missed something that seemed so obvious. I was not trying to get a diagnosis over the internet. I thought it also might be helpful to other horse owner readers to spot early problems.

Thank you all for your input.

[Rick Burten]

I did have radiographs done and there is early ringbone on the coffin joint. The vet saw it during the visual exam
Since the coffin joint is located within the hoof capsule proper, it is beyond my understanding how your vet,absent Superman's power of x-ray vision, saw any
low ringbone via visual examination.
and then confirmed it with the radiographs.
He must truely be an expert diagnostician.
I was just trying to get some input to see if anyone else could see it as easily as the vet did.
From the responses thus far, apparently not.
I felt very bad that I had missed something that seemed so obvious.
Let go of feeling bad. It is not so obvious.
I was not trying to get a diagnosis over the internet. I thought it also might be helpful to other horse owner readers to spot early problems.
Where/when has anyone here offered a diagnosis? If there were something to see in the photos, then it would indeed be helpful to one and all. Perhaps you could mark up the photo that shows the ringbone so it becomes more apparent to us as we view the photo. Better yet, since you've had radiographs done, take some pictures of the rads and post them for us to see.
Thank you all for your input.
De nada.

[Ronald Aalders]

Obvious????? Early (small?) ringbone in the coffin bone joint? Ma'am it's not at all obvious! In fact it's surprising your vet diagnosed it so easily........... It would almost suggest he is either a remarkable vet or knew the horse already!



Ronald Aalders

[concernedhorseowner2]

Well I am glad to hear it is not obvious!!! The ringbone is on the LF. I will see if taking pictures of the radio graphs will work, not sure but will try.

http://s2.supload.com/free/LF_hoof.jpg/view/


Thanks

[calshoer]

I took this drawing by Dr.Andy Parks of joint capsules from a veterinary text and marked it up to help illustrate where ringbone may be located . And why low ringbone cant be see nwit he naked eye if it is still smallenough to not distort the hairline. If it is so large as to distort the hoof wall or the hairline, it is not early, it is advanced.
The coronary band is the yellow line. The big yellow splotch is non-articular ringbone, in other words not located in a joint and those usually do not make the horse lame.
The red blotches are "low ringbone", (below the coronary band) and high, (above it) in the coffin and pastern joints respectively.
Patty