Grand Circuit Ad in AFJ

[Mike Bailey]

Is it just me or is this ad sending the wrong message to beginners?

Quote
"The shaper will fit to days quater horse,right out of the box,saving several minutes per horse,not haveing to pound hot iron. Time is money.Use the shoe already shaped for you."

Any opions on this?
Mike

[HoustonFarrier]

Hey, is this shoe like those fancy helicopters that point the gun where the pilot looks......just think.....imagine the shoe shape and VOILA !!!! It shapes itself. Wonder if they make one for drafts, huh ????

LOL

Steve

[Mike Bailey]

Well had a on looker ask me once if any body had invented a machine to replace me. I said no but when you figure it out let me know.
MIke

[Phil Armitage]

I wonder what Grand Circuit thinks is different about todays QH vs. yesterdays QH? Why only QH's, they don't fit other breeds? :D

[Dave Purves]

While the add may send the wrong message, those shapers do fit pretty nicely on those "boxy" footed QH's. And they are pretty close on alot of upright clubby feet. too. I don't like the crease, and I don't like the "looks" of the shoe, but I'm not to proud to nail one up when it almost fits out of the box, safe and box the heels, turn the heel a little, burn it on, and nail it up. They will save you some time on boxy feet.

Dave

[Forgewizard]

I've been fairly happy with them on horses that have run forward hooves and need to have the toe encouraged to come back. They are a fairly wide web and heavy shoe, more suited to smaller warmbloods than some of the QH's on my roster. I stock several sizes of them.


I always get worried when I run across a hoof that has obviously been whittled "to fit a shoe straight out of the box".

But we can all dream can't we?

Regards,
Kim

[Phil Armitage]

We can say that about any shoe. Kirkhart SX-8 Front and hind shoe makes a pretty nice shoe right out of the box for round front and tag hinds. Heat em up and burn em on. I never heard of Kirkhart advertizeing that they do not need to be shaped. :rolleyes:

[tbloomer]

Is it just me or is this ad sending the wrong message to beginners?

Quote
"The shaper will fit to days quater horse,right out of the box,saving several minutes per horse,not haveing to pound hot iron. Time is money.Use the shoe already shaped for you."

Any opions on this?
Mike
I have two opinions borrowed from P. T. Barnham;

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

"There's a sucker born every minute."

. . . and my own opinion . . . yesterday's QH was a better horse.

[Peggy Dolan]

I was at a clinic with Doyle Bragg as the guest speaker. He really knows his stuff. The folks from Grand Circuit had a booth there and so I got a pair to try. At first I was skeptical too, but damned if the don't fit a certain type of foot, the boxy type, pretty damn good. So if I had all the money he's made and he had a feather up his &%^$# we'd both be tickled.

[SlowShoe]

They do fit that boxy type good.. They are pretty darn hard to work with otherwise. =]

-Josh

[Bill Adams]

I have never bought a shoe, any brand, that didn't fit the foot perfectly. All you have to do is get them red hot, hit them some, grind on them, and bingo!, fits every time.
Eventualy we'll see boxed sets of shoes for each type of each breed, and for shoers who work Appys and Paints, the color variations will make you buy a longer trailer to store them.
Always shoe hot,
Bill

[tbloomer]

I have never bought a shoe, any brand, that didn't fit the foot perfectly. All you have to do is get them red hot, hit them some, grind on them, and bingo!, fits every time.
Eventualy we'll see boxed sets of shoes for each type of each breed, and for shoers who work Appys and Paints, the color variations will make you buy a longer trailer to store them.
Always shoe hot,
Bill
I find that I have to repunch the nail holes after I draw out a 00 to fit a size-4 foot. Fitting a size-4 to a 00 foot requires a LOT of grinding . . . and you got to do something to the nail holes on that one too! YMMV :D

[Forgewizard]

Eventualy we'll see boxed sets of shoes for each type of each breed, and for shoers who work Appys and Paints, the color variations will make you buy a longer trailer to store them.

Hey, they already do! If you work with gaited horses at all you will be asked by the clients to be sure and apply "paso Fino" shoes, or "Spotted Walking Horse trail shoes"....

:eek:
Regards,
Kim

[Bill Adams]

Kim,
The reply should be "well this worked out great, they just came in Tuesday, but the price went up again"

Tom,
I know a fellow who only bought O size shoes because that was the average size shoe horses wear. I came behind him on a hoese that had size 2 feet, and darn if that horse didnt go better.
Years later he started dating one of my clients that had one of the most complated packages I did, she only let him look at the horse.
BTW, what dose YMMV stand for?
Bill

[balazsborbely]

I have never bought a shoe, any brand, that didn't fit the foot perfectly. All you have to do is get them red hot, hit them some, grind on them, and bingo!, fits every time.
Eventualy we'll see boxed sets of shoes for each type of each breed, and for shoers who work Appys and Paints, the color variations will make you buy a longer trailer to store them.
Always shoe hot,
Bill
Bill,
I always shoe hot, but I certainly don't mind when one particular brand/model of shoe fits the particular horse I am shoeing with only a few gentle taps...

BTW, I like the StCroix Eventer Plus shoes, but I repunch every single one of them, I can not even see CH5s fitting in those slotlike holes, and I think that a CH5slim is too weak anyway for a 650kg/1430lbs warmblood wearing a StC EvPlus size 3 or 4. What do you think?

[Mike Bailey]

Any thing over a #2 I genrally use 6 slims or mx 70.
Mike

[Ron Oldenbeuving]

Bill,
I always shoe hot, but I certainly don't mind when one particular brand/model of shoe fits the particular horse I am shoeing with only a few gentle taps...

BTW, I like the StCroix Eventer Plus shoes, but I repunch every single one of them, I can not even see CH5s fitting in those slotlike holes, and I think that a CH5slim is too weak anyway for a 650kg/1430lbs warmblood wearing a StC EvPlus size 3 or 4. What do you think?I find CH5SL Combo works a treat on those size horses. Do you like any particular brand of nail? My choice is Derby nails, tough, but easy to wring off, and nail and clinch life is pretty good. I don't get too many pulled. They're pretty consistent in their quality, too.

[Bill Adams]

In a sence, I don't relliy on the nails to hold the shoe on. If I can balance the foot to the horse and then the shoe to the foot and burn it on, Capwell Clasic 5 holds size four on down. I don't lose shoes hardly, but that may be because my sons nail and finish.
Bill

[Phil Armitage]

Bill,
I always shoe hot, but I certainly don't mind when one particular brand/model of shoe fits the particular horse I am shoeing with only a few gentle taps...

BTW, I like the StCroix Eventer Plus shoes, but I repunch every single one of them, I can not even see CH5s fitting in those slotlike holes, and I think that a CH5slim is too weak anyway for a 650kg/1430lbs warmblood wearing a StC EvPlus size 3 or 4. What do you think?

Kirkhart SSP with MX-55.