AFA 2006 annual board of directors mtg minutes

[Phil Armitage]

The minutes are available to AFA members on the AFA web site members only section and pretty detailed of all the buisness the AFA BOD is involved in. It also sheds some light on changes takeing place and why things might be in termoil. Nobody likes change, I am sure there are good people who feel the AFA is not broken why fix it. The bottom line is the AFA is not broken, however it does need to change. After eight years of shoeing full time I think I have observed enough horses to see what causes problems and what fixes them. The AFA certification program if followed to the letter, trimming and fitting shoes cause problems, it needs to be fixed. This method of educateing younger farriers in the US is not good for the orginization or the Equine industry. It needs to be fixed and fixed immediatly. It is no longer tolerable to hear comments like shoe one way to pass a test and then shoe correctly when you get home. The purpose of attending clinics and certification is pick up good habits not bad ones. I beg the ole die hard AFA leaders and veterans to open you eyes and take to heart what is going on. Embrace people like Gene, Natural balance trimming principles whatever. Someone needs to tell the emporor he has no cloths and the emporor needs to stop be-heading everyone that tries to tell him.

[Jaye Perry]

[QUOTE=Phil Armitage]...... After eight years of shoeing full time I think I have observed enough horses to see what causes problems and what fixes them. ......


Really!!!!!
I have been doing the Farrier thing for 20 years and have not figured it all out. "Again all knowing and all seeing". :rolleyes:

[Franky Lundist]

jaye, I didnt read anywhere in Phils post that he said he knew it all or had all the answers, he does make a very good point, but perhaps he learns quicker than other's and perhaps his being more open minded to different methods has enhanced his skills, maybe you should try expanding your horizons a bit?
Just a thought

[Jaye Perry]

I didnt read anywhere in Phils post that he said he knew it all or had all the answers, he does make a very good point, but perhaps he learns quicker than other's and perhaps his being more open minded to different methods has enhanced his skills,


"After eight years of shoeing full time I think I have observed enough horses to see what causes problems and what fixes them."PA

You need to re-read Farnky.






maybe you should try expanding your horizons a bit?
Just a thought

Sure Farnky, when "you" expound on your knowledge of farriery I will consider. My Boy Phil has a preponderance "to be all knowing and all seeing." You will have to go back into the archieves and read when he stated on these boards and started having epiphanies of shoeing and ways of farriery.

When I want your opinion Farnky I will give it to YA!

[Phil Armitage]

Actually I learned this in 7 1/2 years not 8 yet.

[Phil Armitage]

To get back to the original point before I was rudely interupted by Mr. Perry. Has anyone seen the meeting minutes I mentioned. It is availabe on the AFA web site. Very detailed and very informative, actually I am getting a positive and optomistic feeling as I read through it. There are all kinds of issues being raised and put on the table. What do others think? (Jaye you can participate if you behave yourself or I will have to ask you to leave the class).

[Rick Burten]

To get back to the original point before I was rudely interupted by Mr. Perry. Has anyone seen the meeting minutes I mentioned. It is availabe on the AFA web site. Very detailed and very informative, actually I am getting a positive and optomistic feeling as I read through it. There are all kinds of issues being raised and put on the table. What do others think?
I think that that is a fairly accurate assessment. I also think that until the current fiasco/faux paux it dealt with, none of the other important business of the AFA is going to really happen. I also think that if the current situation continues for very long, all the positive and optomistic feelings in the world won't be enough.

(Jaye you can participate if you behave yourself or I will have to ask you to leave the class).
Last I knew, and please correct me if I am wrong, only one person was assigned the title, duties and responsibilities of Headmaster. And occasionally , in his absence, someone else is accorded the title, etc. of Acting Headmaster. And Phil, though I am loathe to do so, I feel I must point out that neither of those persons is you. :)

[Rancho JD]

The bottom line is the AFA is not broken, however it does need to change.

Interesting, i ran across a former NAHT member and current AFA examiner at a mini-mart. Did not want to make him late for his next appointment but decided to ask a question about the suspensory load on this Bear-footed horse we were both familair with. He say's...oh im not sure about all that, it's been so long since i took the test, have'nt studied suspensory apparatus in a long time, but maybe i'll forge a demo shoe at the next clinic.

[Phil Armitage]

Last I knew, and please correct me if I am wrong, only one person was assigned the title, duties and responsibilities of Headmaster. And occasionally , in his absence, someone else is accorded the title, etc. of Acting Headmaster. And Phil, though I am loathe to do so, I feel I must point out that neither of those persons is you. :)

True very true, however I owne the thread and when it get off subject by sarcasm it would be remiss of me to allow it. :)

Sarcasm is a form of sensureship, which I know Jaye is totaly against that.

[Gary Hill]

I kinda think Baron owns and runs the show here. We are all contriputors nothing more or less. He has the magic buttons to make it all go away or stay!

[Jaye Perry]

True very true, however I owne the thread and when it get off subject by sarcasm it would be remiss of me to allow it. :)
Sarcasm is a form of sensureship, which I know Jaye is totaly against that.


I don't mind sarcasism, but you have got a little big for your britches in the past few replys. Hope your head has gone down enough to regain it's original and steadfast position of crainial rectitus. :eek:

Nah Nahnny BooBOO!

[Phil Armitage]

I don't mind sarcasism, but you have got a little big for your britches in the past few replys. Hope your head has gone down enough to regain it's original and steadfast position of crainial rectitus. :eek:

Nah Nahnny BooBOO!

That was intelligent. :rolleyes: Lets see your accuseing me of being too big for my britches, have you looked in the mirror lately. Can't wait for the time when we can talk face to face Jaye. When you do not have the luxery of hideing behind your keyboard.

For the record this is not a threat, I am interested to see how quick your wit really is and who has the cooler head. :)

[Gary Hill]

Phil, personally you are probably a great guy and have good insite on alot of issues. BUT some of your remarks throw some of us, that have a heck of alot more experience than 7 1/2 yrs! MY teacher was the late Al Pinson. He owned AP Tool company. He sold the company the following year I graduated and moved to Oregon. That was in 1978. IF I have been doing something wrong for 28 years, it's only because I learned from that man ! He was a hard teacher and wasn't so politically correct as instructors today where the schools pass you because you paid for the certificate! He had the gonads to tell people that they couldn't cut it in the trade, so I think that he was an Endangered Species comparied to the teachers today. I personally as a Professional Farrier and Animal Handler,( and I do have the T-Shirt) think you should really give some of the guys you disrespect on these boards alittle more respect when they help you with their wisdom! Best as always, Gary Hill

[Jaye Perry]

That was intelligent. :rolleyes:

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!





Lets see your accuseing me of being too big for my britches, have you looked in the mirror lately.

Yep, everyday.


Can't wait for the time when we can talk face to face Jaye.

I can, I know where your head has been. Your breath will smell REALLY BAD :eek:

[tbloomer]

Phil, personally you are probably a great guy and have good insite on alot of issues. BUT some of your remarks throw some of us, that have a heck of alot more experience than 7 1/2 yrs! MY teacher was the late Al Pinson. He owned AP Tool company. He sold the company the following year I graduated and moved to Oregon. That was in 1978. IF I have been doing something wrong for 28 years, it's only because I learned from that man ! He was a hard teacher and wasn't so politically correct as instructors today where the schools pass you because you paid for the certificate! He had the gonads to tell people that they couldn't cut it in the trade, so I think that he was an Endangered Species comparied to the teachers today. I personally as a Professional Farrier and Animal Handler,( and I do have the T-Shirt) think you should really give some of the guys you disrespect on these boards alittle more respect when they help you with their wisdom! Best as always, Gary Hill


You are beginning to sound just like Mike Miller. Every school, including Harvard University, has students that do the bare minimum amount of work required to obtain a passing grade. Those students graduate with the same diploma as the ones at the top of the class.

Furthermore, there is nothing to prevent a student who is a complete failure in farrier school from taking up the farrier trade. I know farriers who regularly tell people that they are certified, or that they graduated from thus and such school when neither is true. People believe them and allow them to work on their horses.

Enron and WorldCom . . . I'm sure that both of these companies had upper level management with advanced business degrees from Ivy League schools. Should we blame the universities and the teachers who taught these corporate incompetents? Would you have the government decide who is qualified to manage a multinational corporation?

Should we blame Phil's parents and Jaye's parents for their adolescent behavior?

[Jaye Perry]

........and Jaye's parents for their adolescent behavior?

Of course TB, she always said " Life is like a box of chocolates, eat all you can and leave a few crumbs for others to fight over" :D

[Gary Hill]

Tom, you have to admit owning a schooling school is easy money especially when there is no real bar to be raised or achieved. The two week schools roll in about 9-10 students at lets just say $500 ahead. Not bad money for standing around watching others work. Ole Al closed his school , North Texas Farriers Institute because of the flack that the state of Texas was giving him with the paperwork and such. I know that he sent me a letter in Fla that was a questionaire about , was I still making a living as a Farrier, was it my primary occupation, yada yada yada. I did make a mistake in my other post - he sold his company AP in 79 and closed the school a few years later. He was a tough bird to please and I am a better Farrier because of him. Best, Gary

[Phil Armitage]

Oh my gosh Tom, maybe Jaye and I have the same parents. Maybe Jaye is my little brother. :D

[Phil Armitage]

Phil, personally you are probably a great guy and have good insite on alot of issues. BUT some of your remarks throw some of us, that have a heck of alot more experience than 7 1/2 yrs! MY teacher was the late Al Pinson. He owned AP Tool company. He sold the company the following year I graduated and moved to Oregon. That was in 1978. IF I have been doing something wrong for 28 years, it's only because I learned from that man ! He was a hard teacher and wasn't so politically correct as instructors today where the schools pass you because you paid for the certificate! He had the gonads to tell people that they couldn't cut it in the trade, so I think that he was an Endangered Species comparied to the teachers today. I personally as a Professional Farrier and Animal Handler,( and I do have the T-Shirt) think you should really give some of the guys you disrespect on these boards alittle more respect when they help you with their wisdom! Best as always, Gary Hill

Gary I am a great guy and I do have alot of issues, I mean insight on a lot of issues. :)

Don't blame your mentor on your 28 years, kind of like when you drive out of the yard, your no longer responsible for the shoes on that horse the owner has to keep them on, keep em sound etc... right. There is another insight for ya.

[Phil Armitage]

Enjoy the weekend gentlemen, I am going to spend the day with a bunch of farriers and vendors at Meader Supply.

[Rick Burten]

You are beginning to sound just like Mike Miller.
Well, when you're right, you're right. Right?
Furthermore, there is nothing to prevent a student who is a complete failure in farrier school from taking up the farrier trade.
Are you starting to try and make the case for licensing and registration?:eek:

Enron and WorldCom . . . I'm sure that both of these companies had upper level management with advanced business degrees from Ivy League schools. Should we blame the universities and the teachers who taught these corporate incompetents? [/quote]
I not so sure they were incompetent. Well, incompetent because they got caught acting in illegal, unethical, unprofessional, inappropriate ways, with perhaps a management style that had the aura of imperialistic 'right' eminating from the ivory tower. Hey, wait a minute. Lately, I've been hearing those very same terms bandied about with regard to another situation of which we are all quite aware. Hmmmmmm
Would you have the government decide who is qualified to manage a multinational corporation?
Heaven forfend! Although, it would appear that the government is going to decide whether or not the competency of said individuals is going to land them in jail or not. On second thought, its not the government who'll decide that, rather , the people. Wow! The mind boggles at the similarities.
And, had the government not involved itself, I wonder what the stockholders of each corporation would have done when it came time to vote on retention or dismissal of those officers of the corporations that had led said corporations into such a NEGATIVE PUBLIC AWARENESS.
Should we blame Phil's parents and Jaye's parents for their adolescent behavior?
Absolutely not! Each is accountable for their own actions and should be 'judged' accordingly. No excuses, no apologies , no hanging of heads and begging forgiveness. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

WOW! again. The parallels here boggle the mind.

[tbloomer]

Tom, you have to admit owning a schooling school is easy money especially when there is no real bar to be raised or achieved. The two week schools roll in about 9-10 students at lets just say $500 ahead. Not bad money for standing around watching others work. Ole Al closed his school , North Texas Farriers Institute because of the flack that the state of Texas was giving him with the paperwork and such. I know that he sent me a letter in Fla that was a questionaire about , was I still making a living as a Farrier, was it my primary occupation, yada yada yada. I did make a mistake in my other post - he sold his company AP in 79 and closed the school a few years later. He was a tough bird to please and I am a better Farrier because of him. Best, Gary

On one hand you say it's easy money. On the other hand you say Al couldn't get a handle on the paperwork. How do you reconcile those opposing views?

I went to a two week farrier (trim) course. Spent the first week dissecting cadaver limbs and trimming cadaver hooves. After passing a written test which was more difficult than the AFA CF written exam, and demonstrating that I was able to safely trim a cadaver hoof, I was allowed to trim live horses under the direct supervision of an instructor.

So tell me this, Gary, how many cadavers did you and Al dissect? Did he test your knowledge and skill with the hoof before he allowed you to move on to the shoe? Did he make you demonstrate your ability to safely trim, shape shoes, and apply shoes to his standard before allowing you to attempt shoeing a live horse? How did Al asses your understanding of the fundamentals of biomechanics? Did he present you with an outline or a syllabus for the course he expected you to complete during your training?

Since you're bringing it up, I would like to know how many farrier schools you have checked out. What do you think is lacking in their curriculumn? Can you give us the name of ANY farrier school that advertises their two-week course as a "professional farrier" training course? A link to a web site will suffice.

So far your findings about farrier schools hold about as much weight with me as the Miller Report. I encourage you to step outside of your imagination and stick your nose into the real world of farrier education. You might find that experience educational.

I would also encourage you to compare your knowledge of farrier science and forge work to that of a recent MOTIVATED TOP HONORS graduate of ANY 16 week farrier school. You might find that educational as well.

[tbloomer]

Of course TB, she always said " Life is like a box of chocolates, eat all you can and leave a few crumbs for others to fight over" :D

ROTFLMAO!!! I think the latin translation of that phrase is CARPE DIEM :D




:)

[tbloomer]

WOW! again. The parallels here boggle the mind.

Dag nabit Rick! If you see the paralells, then our minds could be intersecting. Do you think we might be on the same wave length, er, um photon particle trajectory?

Right now I'm sending you a secret telepathic message. Can you hear your telephone ringing?

[Tom Stovall, CJF]

Modest Phil Armitage in gray, Gary Hill in brown, deletia

Phil, personally you are probably a great guy and have good insite on alot of issues. BUT some of your remarks throw some of us, that have a heck of alot more experience than 7 1/2 yrs! MY teacher was the late Al Pinson. He owned AP Tool company. He sold the company the following year I graduated and moved to Oregon. That was in 1978. IF I have been doing something wrong for 28 years, it's only because I learned from that man !...

Gary I am a great guy and I do have alot of issues, I mean insight on a lot of issues.

All this and modest too! It appears you've got this horseshoeing thing all figured out - from A to B.

Don't blame your mentor on your 28 years, kind of like when you drive out of the yard, your no longer responsible for the shoes on that horse the owner has to keep them on, keep em sound etc... right.

I'd be damn proud to "blame" Al Pinson for my ability to shoe a horse! To my personal knowledge, his former students are shoeing everything from NFR barrel horses to grand prix jumpers to stakes winners on the flat to NCHA futurity champions - and that's a fairly diverse group united by a single factor: Performance!

As Gary said, Al didn't give a rat's patootie for being politically correct, but he could sure as hell teach someone how to shoe a performance horse - and he wasn't afraid to send a slacker packing.

There is another insight for ya.

Thanks for sharing. :)

[Gary Hill]

Mr. Stovall, you do have a way with words! Al was a great person and a true Master Farrier! Gary

[tbloomer]

As Gary said, Al didn't give a rat's patootie for being politically correct, but he could sure as hell teach someone how to shoe a performance horse - and he wasn't afraid to send a slacker packing.
With all due respect, he may have sent the slackers packing, but he could not prevent them from printing up business cards and calling themselves farriers.

This is the same dilemma that the schools face. They may refuse to hand out a diploma, or they may give someone a diploma who does just enough work to get a passing grade. Either way, once those persons decide to call themsllves farriers, the teacher or the school has no accountability. It's not like they can make the slacker wear a sign that says "I flunked out of shoeing school."

'nuther part of the equasion is that horse owners are usually not inclined to check out a farrier's references and educational background. The most important criteria to being a farrier (according to horse owners) are showing up and returning telephone calls. Horse owners seldom question farrier's competance.

If there is a question, its easier to have your trainer, vet, massage therapist, or next door neighbor instruct the farrier as to how to shoe your horse. When a horse owner has all of these EXPERTS waiting to instruct the farrier, the only requirement left is finding a farrier that is able to follow instructions.

[Gary Hill]

Points well made Tom! The reason I addressed it is because of the fact my area gets flooded with these grads and they really do me a favor, as because they undercut prices to get work, then screw horses up , I get to be hero and fix things. I don't have a problem with the longer schools because if you can hang in and learn, you do have a better chance at being successful. And I agree too that long ago some of the science isn't as it is today. But good basic's along with a desire to keep learning has given me a pretty good living. Al had a Vet come in and do the dissection to show and teach us. I don't have a VMD or DVM behind my name ,so legally I try not to invade live tissue. I work in concert with the vets and we use what technology the vet is comfortable with to come to a conclusion as to what the horses needs are. I pass every Wed. one of only three killer plants in the nation still open and I can get as many legs and feet as I want . It is amazing to see some of the stuff we farriers come up with to nail on the feet of these departed ones. I'm also morbid enough to as owners that have lost their horses to pathologies if they mind if I had the lower legs to study. Some agree more that you think. I really always wanted to be a Vet but money was my biggest problem, so I worked with vets and asked questions all the time. Sounds Old School and it was but it has worked for me. I do apologize that this thread might have got off track, why do we do that??? Best to all, Gary

[Jaye Perry]

Oh my gosh Tom, maybe Jaye and I have the same parents. Maybe Jaye is my little brother. :D

AH HA!
Guess that was a pund for starting some "YO Mamma Jokes!"

[Phil Armitage]

AH HA!
Guess that was a pund for starting some "YO Mamma Jokes!"

That would be interesting. Don't know if I would dare go there with you. I see on TV they have friendly street competitions for cash doing yo momma jokes. When I was a kid, my brothers and I engaged with the neighbor hood kids doing yo mamma jokes a lot, sometimes someone would loose a tooth or go away with a black eye, but we were at it the next day like nothing ever happened. I preffered playing marbles instead, but yo mamma jokes came with the territory. Didnt watch TV, play video games, got home from school, had a snack and stayed outside and was only allowed in at 5:00 when dinner was ready and you better not be late. Then did your homwork and went to bed.

[Bill Adams]

Oh my gosh Tom, maybe Jaye and I have the same parents. Maybe Jaye is my little brother. :D


See, here's the weird thing, I have always thought that Phil and Jaye were identical twins, seperated at birth.

A variation on the theme would be when asked by some DQ to have your apprentice do something for her at the stable, would be to say "Have jo do it" to wich she asks "JO who?"
to wich you reply, "jo mamma".


Hey Phil!
At this writing, both our teams are at .583, whatayaknow?

Funny how this started about BOD minutes.
Bill

[Phil Armitage]

See, here's the weird thing, I have always thought that Phil and Jaye were identical twins, seperated at birth.

A variation on the theme would be when asked by some DQ to have your apprentice do something for her at the stable, would be to say "Have jo do it" to wich she asks "JO who?"
to wich you reply, "jo mamma".


Hey Phil!
At this writing, both our teams are at .583, whatayaknow?

Funny how this started about BOD minutes.
Bill

Maybe they will meat at the end of the season. Did you see Paplebon (sp?) close out the last game. Oh yea baby. I was ****ed when Damon left the team and a few other good players, but maybe management knows what they are doing. To add insult to injury did you see what the Patriots did? They lost the number 1 kicker in the leaque. :mad: I don't remember my teams traiding so often when I was a kid.

[Jaye Perry]

Originally Posted by Jaye Perry
"AH HA!
Guess that was a pund for starting some "YO Mamma Jokes!"
Phil Armitage-That would be interesting. Don't know if I would dare go there with you. .........


I'm to tired anyway. I am still sweeping up hair after Yo Mamma shaved her mustache. :D

[Phil Armitage]

I'm to tired anyway. I am still sweeping up hair after Yo Mamma shaved her mustache. :D

ROTFLMAO, no no no, I am not engageing. :D I was tempted, but Baron would throw me off the site permanently.

[ray steele]

Rick,

Back to the letter or e mail that you rcd. ,about not conversing on the subject. You stated that RRoO was cited as the reason, may I ask under what use of the Rules, or if a section was cited as to this limitation.

Regards

Ray Steele

[Rick Burten]

Rick,

Back to the letter or e mail that you rcd. ,about not conversing on the subject. You stated that RRoO was cited as the reason, may I ask under what use of the Rules, or if a section was cited as to this limitation.

Regards

Ray Steele
Hi Ray,
No section, chapter or verse was cited. I suppose I could call the office and ask, but I am willing to accept that Mr. Nolan stated the truth and will rely on that. That is until I have the time, hopefully this week, to purchase my own copy of RRO. :D

[ray steele]

Rick,
thanks for the reply, but since you are not in an official meetiing , I can not understand the reference to RRoO for the "gag". Perhaps someone in the office (afa)could explain! i.e. chapter and paragraph.to save valuable time.

regards

ray steele

[Phil Armitage]

Roberts Rules of Order has an official web site http://www.robertsrules.com/default.html. It includes FAQ and you can ask specific questions. Here are two FAQ's I found.

Question 19:
Can we hold our board meetings by conference telephone call?

Answer:
You may hold board meetings by conference telephone call only if your bylaws specifically authorize you to do so. If they do, such meetings must be conducted in such a way that all members participating can hear each other at the same time, and special rules should be adopted to specify precisely how recognition is to be sought and the floor obtained during such meetings. [RONR (10th ed.), p. 482, l. 28, to p. 483, l. 5; see also p. 159 of RONR In Brief.]

It should be noted in this connection that the personal approval of a proposed action obtained from a majority of, or even all, board members separately is not valid board approval, since no meeting was held during which the proposed action could be properly debated. If action is taken by the board on the basis of individual approval, such action must be ratified by the board at its next regular meeting in order to become an official act. [RONR (10th ed.), p. 469, l. 24, to p. 470, l. 2.]

Question 20:
How can we get rid of officers we don't like before their term is up?

Answer:
It depends. If the bylaws just state a fixed term for the officer, such as "two years," or if they say the officer serves for a specified term "and until [the officer's] successor is elected" (or words to that effect), then the group must use formal disciplinary proceedings, which involve the appointment of an investigating committee, preferral of charges by such a committee, and the conduct of a formal trial. The procedure is complex, and should be undertaken only after a careful review of Chapter XX of RONR.

On the other hand, if the bylaws state a term for the office but add "or until [the officer's] successor is elected," or contain other wording explicitly indicating that the officer may be removed before the term expires, then the election can be rescinded (see Chapter 7 of RONR In Brief) and a successor then elected for the remainder of the term.

Of course, if the bylaws themselves establish a procedure for removal from office, that procedure must be followed. [RONR (10th ed.), p. 642-43.]

[Dianne Lemmon]

Maybe they will meat at the end of the season. Did you see Paplebon (sp?) close out the last game. Oh yea baby. I was ****ed when Damon left the team and a few other good players, but maybe management knows what they are doing. To add insult to injury did you see what the Patriots did? They lost the number 1 kicker in the leaque. :mad: I don't remember my teams traiding so often when I was a kid.


Bahh Glad to see Johnny gone, nothing but a bad distraction last season. Now if we can only get rid of "The Loaf" (Manny).

Die-hard Wakefield fan here, since I saw him pitch a 2 hitter in 1995 against Seattle, had to work in Ocala this winter, and it was only 4 1/2 hours to Spring Training in Ft Meyers...Off to Atlanta to see them play the Braves in June next.

Ahh Red Sox fan-dom permeates all walks of society.


Hi my name is Dianne and Yes I am a Red Sox fan, and it has been exactly 4 hours and 36 minutes since my last game.

[Phil Armitage]

Bahh Glad to see Johnny gone, nothing but a bad distraction last season. Now if we can only get rid of "The Loaf" (Manny).

Die-hard Wakefield fan here, since I saw him pitch a 2 hitter in 1995 against Seattle, had to work in Ocala this winter, and it was only 4 1/2 hours to Spring Training in Ft Meyers...Off to Atlanta to see them play the Braves in June next.

Ahh Red Sox fan-dom permeates all walks of society.


Hi my name is Dianne and Yes I am a Red Sox fan, and it has been exactly 4 hours and 36 minutes since my last game.

Hey Dianne, you have good taste in Ball teams. I'm over Damon now, since I saw him in pin stripes he instantly became the enemy.

[Dianne Lemmon]

Hey Dianne, you have good taste in Ball teams. I'm over Damon now, since I saw him in pin stripes he instantly became the enemy.


I still hold a grudge against Roger (Clemens) and am probably one of the few who could care less if he came back to Boston.

I am very sad for David Wells. I love Boomer and his antics. Hate to see him have to retire.

Dianne

[Derin Foor]

Seems to me that we could dispense with all the RRO talk, privileged information BS, what's OK to talk about or not, etc, etc if the AFA would just stand up and state the facts for the members to review

having to cut through the politically correct BS will drive members away if they are not already heading that direction

some stright forward answers and solutions would be appreciated by a lot of the members.... maybe that would just be too easy?

Derin

[Rick Burten]

Seems to me that we could dispense with all the RRO talk, privileged information BS, what's OK to talk about or not, etc, etc if the AFA would just stand up and state the facts for the members to review

having to cut through the politically correct BS will drive members away if they are not already heading that direction

some stright forward answers and solutions would be appreciated by a lot of the members.... maybe that would just be too easy?

Derin
Derin,

While common sense would indicate exactly what you are saying, because of the liability issues involved, and because we ARE bound by RRO, its not going to happen.

I do know that the EC is working dilligently to bring this episode to a speedy conclusion, but not much, if anything, is going to be published until after a special meeting of the board is held. At this time, that looks to occur mid-June.

Rick