The Art And Frustration Of Hoof Balance by Tracy Turner, DVM

[Julie Plaster]

The Art And Frustration Of Hoof Balance, by Tracy Turner, DVM

Anybody read this? I haven't. I did a search on his name and this is one of the things I ran across.

Thanks,
Julie :-)

[tbloomer]

The Art And Frustration Of Hoof Balance, by Tracy Turner, DVM

Anybody read this? I haven't. I did a search on his name and this is one of the things I ran across.

Thanks,
Julie :-)
How long has Tracy Turner, DVM been shoeing horses? Does Tracy Turner, DVM shoe horses for any specific event? Hunters, Jumpers, flat racers, rodeo, harness racing, endurance? Is this book written from an experienced perspective or a journalistic perspective?

Tom Bloomer, CF

[calshoer]

How long has Tracy Turner, DVM been shoeing horses? Does Tracy Turner, DVM shoe horses for any specific event? Hunters, Jumpers, flat racers, rodeo, harness racing, endurance? Is this book written from an experienced perspective or a journalistic perspective?

Tom Bloomer, CF
Get off you ego for a minute.
Tracy Turner is a researcher/veterinarian who runs the hoof studies program at Texas A&M University, working in co-operation with farriers.
Everything we farriers do is based on some kind of hoof research, much of it performed by NON farriers.
Look at the sources of the information referenced in commonly used farrier texts, including Butler. (I am sure you must have a copy)

No matter what or who's textbook, the principles referenced in those books are based is mainly on information that is (or was available at that time) from NON farrier researchers. VERY LITTLE of the information about the horses hoof itself in "Principles of Horseshoeing" for example came from farriers.
It is mostly scientific reference form NON farriers.
So why 'diss' the hard working researchers who continue to look for more answers to help US do OUR jobs better. They are helping us, trying to give us better tools for our use.
Patty

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This Minnesota equine veterinarian and veteran farrier says it's a major mistake to emphasize technique over the needs of the horse when it comes to effective hoof balance. In 16 pages, he leads the reader through all of the critical aspects of proper hoof balance and examines its importance to both the rider and the horse. Included are discussions of geometric balance, dynamic hoof balance, natural balance, the four-point trim, the hairline idea of balance, Duckett's dot and diagonal balance. In addition, valuable ideas regarding balance from 17 other farriers and equine vets are also included in this Special Shoeing Report.

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From LessPub (AFJ)

[Stephen E. O'Grady, DVM]

Get off you ego for a minute.
Tracy Turner is a researcher/veterinarian who runs the hoof studies program at Texas A&M University, working in co-operation with farriers.
Everything we farriers do is based on some kind of hoof research, much of it performed by NON farriers.
Look at the sources of the information referenced in commonly used farrier texts, including Butler. (I am sure you must have a copy)

No matter what or who's textbook, the principles referenced in those books are based is mainly on information that is (or was available at that time) from NON farrier researchers. VERY LITTLE of the information about the horses hoof itself in "Principles of Horseshoeing" for example came from farriers.
It is mostly scientific reference form NON farriers.
So why 'diss' the hard working researchers who continue to look for more answers to help US do OUR jobs better. They are helping us, trying to give us better tools for our use.
Patty

Tracy Turner is a surgeon / resesrcher (previous farrier) in privare practice in Minnesota.

[Stephen E. O'Grady, DVM]

Here is a condensed version of Dr Turner's paper.

Stephen E. O'Grady, DVM

[tbloomer]

Get off you ego for a minute.
Tracy Turner is a researcher/veterinarian who runs the hoof studies program at Texas A&M University, working in co-operation with farriers.
Everything we farriers do is based on some kind of hoof research, much of it performed by NON farriers.
Look at the sources of the information referenced in commonly used farrier texts, including Butler. (I am sure you must have a copy)

No matter what or who's textbook, the principles referenced in those books are based is mainly on information that is (or was available at that time) from NON farrier researchers. VERY LITTLE of the information about the horses hoof itself in "Principles of Horseshoeing" for example came from farriers.
It is mostly scientific reference form NON farriers.
So why 'diss' the hard working researchers who continue to look for more answers to help US do OUR jobs better. They are helping us, trying to give us better tools for our use.
Patty
So what you are telling me is that it is a scientific do***ent written by a researcher. As such, why would the title contain the words ART and FRUSTATION? AND what does my ego have to do with the questions that I asked? I'm not the one that chose the title. The fact that you chose to take offense to my "questioning authority" tells me that you have a chip on your sholder regarding certain sources of information from which you have chosen to define your dogma.

BTW, you never did answer my questions regarding Bowker's research . . .

I question and doubt everything. Get used to it. My name is THOMAS :)

Tom Bloomer, CF

[tbloomer]

Tracy Turner is a surgeon / resesrcher (previous farrier) in privare practice in Minnesota.
Thank you Dr. Steve. You get 5 stars for giving me an answer to the questions I asked. Now about your spell checker . . .

Tom Bloomer, CF

[calshoer]

Tracy Turner is a surgeon / resesrcher (previous farrier) in privare practice in Minnesota.
Your right ,my big mistake , I was too tired to be on the internet.
David Hood is the texas A&M researcher. Mia culpa.

But my message about the value of research is the same. Too many farriers think that researchers have no place in our trade, just because the researchers do not actually shoe horses. Patty

[calshoer]

AND what does my ego have to do with the questions that I asked? I'm not the one that chose the title. The fact that you chose to take offense to my "questioning authority" tells me that you have a chip on your sholder regarding certain sources of information from which you have chosen to define your dogma.
The tone of your post was one that appeared You were not REALLY asking questions as much as you were just sarcastically slamming the fact that he does not shoe horses. If I am mistaken, so sorry.
But his name ends with DVM ,and I am sure you did not miss that.
One could assume from the DVM (without having to ask) that he is a vet, not a farrier.
Theredfore unless you actually *thought* he was a farrier, your point seemed clear.
As to me having a 'chip on my shoulder' concerning "dogmas", I simply have more respect for well educated non-farriers research work (and how I can apply it to my farrier work) than you seem to. "Farrier science" is based on science.
Patty

[tbloomer]

The tone of your post was one that appeared You were not REALLY asking questions as much as you were just sarcastically slamming the fact that he does not shoe horses. If I am mistaken, so sorry.
But his name ends with DVM ,and I am sure you did not miss that.
One could assume from the DVM (without having to ask) that he is a vet, not a farrier.
Theredfore unless you actually *thought* he was a farrier, your point seemed clear.
As to me having a 'chip on my shoulder' concerning "dogmas", I simply have more respect for well educated non-farriers research work (and how I can apply it to my farrier work) than you seem to. "Farrier science" is based on science.
Patty
You are right. I tend to be more impressed with results than I am with initials. So if somebody is going to write a book about ART, are they writing from the perspective of an observer or an artist? I question everybody’s research and nobody gets my “full faith” just on his or her say-so regardless of his or her credentials.

I guess you could say I have no “faith.” Actually I’m quite dogmatic about my doubt. You may choose to view that as disrespect or failure to acknowledge authority. I'm sorry if you find my athiesm repulsive or intimidating or whatever you are feeling.

Now go have yourself a beer and relax.

Hugs and kisses,

Tom Bloomer, Cf

[Phil Armitage]

I do not know Tracy personaly but I have heard him speak and he is a good friend to the Farrier. A breath of fresh air and he is all about being practicle and useing common sense. He has my vote.

[brian robertson]

Phil, Are you starting a "write-in" campaign for Tracy Turner for AFA president? Baron will spank you if you don't move it to the other forum pronto.

[T.N. Trosin]

Dr. Turner kicks *** and doesn't get enough credit or get seen by enough farriers. He is on my top 10 list of clinicians we all need to see.
The times I have gotten to see him speak he has been plain spoken and direct with the subject matter he has spoken on.
Not that he needs defending but Bloomers first post was read pre coffee, deleted, but I though it needed to be said so I retyped it.

[Phil Armitage]

Phil, Are you starting a "write-in" campaign for Tracy Turner for AFA president? Baron will spank you if you don't move it to the other forum pronto.

Hey not a bad idea. I wonder if he is a member? I remember him being very positive about all farriers and telling everyone most of the time many other factors contribute to hoof problems and deformaty rather than farrier work. It was great to hear a Vet speak so positive about all farriers.

How many of us have been blamed for foot problems that are beyond our control on horses that are beyond recovery for what ever reason? When it happens it is not a good feeling. That is why I speak up when I here or see things blameing problems on farrier work without haveing all the facts. So many times horses are missed diagnosed and not enough effort is put into finding out what is going on and the cause. I also see too many horses that just do not have the conformation, conditioning or good feet to do the things people have them do. Too many people trying to get a horse for the least cost possible and then expect miracles. What is even more disturbing is when some Equine professionals will give novice horse owners false hope that there horses can be fixed and then after thousands of dollars the horse still cannot perform. Should have spent the money on a good horse or proper education in the first place.

Knowledge is power and I intend in gaining all the knowledge and experience I can. It is pretty difficult for a schiester to argue with facts.

[tbloomer]

Dr. Turner kicks *** and doesn't get enough credit or get seen by enough farriers. He is on my top 10 list of clinicians we all need to see.
The times I have gotten to see him speak he has been plain spoken and direct with the subject matter he has spoken on.
Not that he needs defending but Bloomers first post was read pre coffee, deleted, but I though it needed to be said so I retyped it.
Sounds like you think Dr. Turner should be "marketed" a little better. In a way you're proving my point. The "famous" people with all the fancy initials after their names aren't always the ones that we should be looking to for enlightenment. There is a lot of "undiscovered" talent which escapes the mainstream farier education venues.

Tom Bloomer, CF

[EileenHughes]

Maybe we could see if Baron could add him to the 06 online conference line-up.

[J.H. shoeing]

Tom

I may be wrong but I believe that Dr. Tunrner worked his way through school shoeing horses. I think I read that in an old issue of the journal 2002.

Jeff

[Ronald Aalders]

Tom

I may be wrong but I believe that Dr. Tunrner worked his way through school shoeing horses. I think I read that in an old issue of the journal 2002.

Jeff


When did this turn into to an asset?


Ronald Aalders

[Rick Burten]

When did this turn into to an asset?

What? That Dr. Turner worked his way through vet school as a farrier or that someone read about it in the AFJ? :confused: :D

[J.H. shoeing]

Ron

I was just responding to Bloomers #2 post in this thread. I know that my customers that have shod horses are good customers. What little I have read of Dr.Turner implys that he is not a Farrier basher. All I want is a clean shake from Vets and my work will speak for itself.

On my calender it became an asset on that fall day when the dog and cat vet advised a horse owner that her horse was in acute stages of founder and did not advise to change the feeding routine, apply any kind of support, and that she should have a Farrier trim the toe back about a half of an inch.

She called one of the clinics that gives me refferals a few days later and I met them at the clinic. The horse survived to be the back yard pet that always has.

Jeff

[calshoer]

Frustrated, please remember this post was in the "Farriers helping Farriers, not the Farriers helping Horse owners.There are two sections of bulletin boards here.
Please read the rules of the bulletin boards before you post in the wrong section.
Ps this was an OLD ,OLD thread from almost six months ago. If you are a non farrier I am sure you would be welcome to bring this subject up again and rehash it in the "farriers helping Horse owners" section of boards. PS, Dr Turner is actually well respected by lot of the farrier community, including myself, so don't get your shorts in all in a bunch.... :)
Patty