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tipptoez
09-27-2004, 01:04 AM
As just a horse owner and not a farrier I wasn't sure where to post this, but I think it is important.

As a little background, I have a degree in Animal Behavior and one in Medical Technology and have had my research published. I have done behavioral research for the Minnesota Zoo and the University of Minnesota as well as medical research on platelet immunology for the University of Minnesota.

The dissemination of information is very important. If the research doesn't get to those who can implement it then it is never going to do any good. In this case I think the cushings info needs to get to the farrier community in general and also to us average horse owners. My mom's mare based on breed and conformation is a classic for being either insuling resistant or a cushings horse. We have been told by numerous people based on her body type she is a founder case waiting to happen, but no one can say why, how or what to do to prevent this. Luckily through the boards here I have come across the information that may just help to diagnose and prevent Jelly from going downhill.

Patty, This is an article that you can and should write. Use foot notes to identify material from those researchers that have already published. That way the reader can find the orginal research if they so wish. For many people the manditory format for technical research publications and the terminology used is confusing and reveals no practical applications to the reader. Your common sense everyday approach to explaining this information which is enhanced by your experience and understanding in applying these techniques in your own practice makes it much easier for others to understand and see how to apply it to individuals in their own practices.

Scientific information is often broken down and reprinted in this way to get the hard science out to those who will eventually use it. If you are uncomforable about this, get approval from those whose techniques you use and make sure to give proper credit and contact information for those individuals if they wish so.

I really think that you and Katy Watts(there was a good article by katy on the nutritional make up of various hay by Katy in Equus I believe) should get together and get "The Horse" and or "Equus" to print an article on the cushings horses both from founder treatment and nutritional support aspects for the owners to read and get the info. I can't help thinking how many horses are out there suffering because the owners, farriers, shoers and vets don't know about this. I can tell you we have had two different Vets examine Jelly and they both said she was a shoe in for developing laminitis but neither mentioned equine cushings or insulin resistance. Neither recommended any tests. Just said she was likely to founder .....end of story.

I am asking you to please seriously consider writing this article, it is important. For the rest of you out there, I think you have knowledge that you could share too. Just because the research is done by others doesn't mean you cannot write about the practical applications you have used in your own practices to help individual horses. It is this applied information that gets others thinking about clients they have that could benefit from the same type of treament and thus more horses are helped.

I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds here, but I really think this information is important and not readily known.

Denise

coreen harris
09-27-2004, 02:15 AM
I totally agree with Denise - and maybe write a book while yer at it! There is a lot of new info out there, but its coming out piecemeal, and gets confusing. As yet there is no tying together of medical-farrier-nutritional considerations for ALL the metabolic problems we are now identifying. Yer not kidding there are a lot of horses suffering due to lack of info and correllation. Obviously vets are scratching their heads too. please please PLEASE write that article! (and let us know when its due out, lol) Coreen

Red Amor
09-27-2004, 03:50 AM
Hi Guys

I couldnt agree more on this one , But one point if I may
Please Please write it speaking in laymans terms as we are the vast majority
Farriers and owners alike
I await this artical with baited breath
thankyou mate

tipptoez
09-27-2004, 06:29 PM
I really didn’t mean to open a can of worms here. I know very well one can’t just “pop out” an article and I sure didn’t mean to give that impression. I am willing to bet it took a considerable amount of time to write the detailed post here on these boards addressing the problems encountered when shoeing a foundered Cushings horse.

Time is a HUGE factor here, even when considering writing a basic summary type article (I don’t even want to think about writing a book. YIKES!). A literature search alone can take far longer than one might imagine, then pulling all that information together with proper crediting, add to that developing drawings, graphics and photographs to help illustrate the problems or techniques used, etc. What seems like a simple thing really becomes a monumental undertaking, and this is why information is slow to disseminate.

I sure didn’t mean to put Patty on the spot here, or anyone else for that matter. I just wanted to emphasize the need to bridge the gap that exists between the publication of hard science and getting the application of it to the end user. Unfortunately, this is something that exists in all professions, not just in farrier science.

Denise

Jaye Perry
09-27-2004, 07:07 PM
...just wanted to emphasize the need to bridge the gap that exists between the publication of hard science and getting the application of it to the end user. Unfortunately, this is something that exists in all professions, not just in farrier science.



The G.A.P.(Given Approach Protocal) is created by some polemic interpetations of and by it's authors and practioners'. The space is not a gap but a lack of understanding of the viariables that exsist in everyday applications of such protocals.
To bridge the G.A.P. between the studied and the implementation, the end users have to give feed back; good ,bad or indiferrent. It also has to be situational.
So Patty, write the article with refference, but use your years of experience to mend the G.A.P. per your view. A view from the trenches.

Jaye

Jason Maki
09-28-2004, 10:57 PM
Patty,
I agree with Jaye and Danvers: We all use an amalgamation of education, reading, experience, insight and hind sight to create our own thinking. We stand quite literaly on the backs of others. Put out what you know and we will all learn something. It is no different than posting here... we are horseshoers, not academians (technicly, Danvers was a prof, but he's still a real guy, rumors to the contrary not withstanding :D ) Dive in and share what you know. I would love to hear what you have to say!
Jason

calshoer
09-28-2004, 11:15 PM
OHMYGOD.
Ok I will give this a good try. I spoke today to two of the people who would be referenced (Gene Ovnicek , and Katy Watts at safergrass.org) and they are both suportive.
This may take some time, I have to get the scientific papers together, permission for referencing all the various researchers, etc. And since cushings syndrome and insulin resistance (Equine Metabolic Syndrome) is a VERY complicated issue it is something that cannot be covered in one article. The shoeing part could probably be one article , but managing the metabolic part is a whole book in itself.
Dr Joyce Harman and Dr Madelyne Ward already co authored a terrific article in Hoofcare and Lameness that covered managing the metabolic issues very well using a holistic approach. I will look for the issue and let you know which one it was in .
Wish me Luck, I talk better than I write. Danvers, let me know when you need it. And how to format the thing, pictures and all. (as long as the deadline was not yesterday)
Sigh. Patty

Red Amor
09-29-2004, 02:07 AM
Good on ya Guys n Gals , bewdy

danverschild
09-30-2004, 12:33 PM
Great!! I'm on a mad rush out the door for TN--the AFA's mid-year meeting. I'll get in touch with you as soon as I get back (first of next week). THANKS!