Grandfathered in?

[NHFarrier]

So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy

[Phil Armitage]

Amy where have you been. The licensing and registration is a dead issue for right now. So there is no need for grandfathering in anyone. Go practice the trade you love and enjoy with no worries.

[Rick Burten]

So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy
Amy, the articles in the AFJ are outdated and behind the curve, contain inaccuracies and wrong information. The issue of licensing and registration, as proposed to the AFA Board of Directors is a dead issue.

Speculatively speaking, if the proposals had passed and then had been implemented by the States, no, you would not have had to pass any certification requirements. Which IMNTBCHO, was a major drawback to the proposal.

Amidst all the finger pointing and name calling (and I am guilty of this too), there is up to date information right here on the forums in the "Political Arena" forum under the heading of "AFA Open Forum and BOD Meeting"

[ladyblacksmith]

So as I am reading the latest AFJ article on licensing, I wonder....if a registration/licensing requirement is enforced, will those of us who are currently practicing without certification be required to pass the AFA certification/similar to continue or will we be "grandfathered" in?

Amy

If we grandfather everyone in ----- if this licensing would ever go thur.....then we have acheived nothing on getting quaility work to prevail.:(

We're right back to were we started from.:confused:

[Rick Burten]

Linda,

This thread is almost four years old. Why are you resurrecting it now?

[ladyblacksmith]

Linda,

This thread is almost four years old. Why are you resurrecting it now?

Because there are even more breakdowns since the new XLT rules went into effect. This time instead of bones (sesamoids/conjular fractures, ect.); most are soft-tissue related injuries (bowed/buck-shins/carpel??,ect), from what I am hearing......PS I could be wrong????
Now that at some tracks; outer-rims are banned in the middle of racing season has some platers up and arms.

Rumblings behind the scenes on all the trainers/owners now are coming in an doing their own horses. It's getting bad at the backside as one said to me the other day.
He walked in and all the horses where glued ? ? Owner trying to save money.

As it stands now----any owner can shoe his own horses "without" a plater's test or licence on the backside. A few are now walking in and taking on the task.
so hear we go again.

[Mike Ferrara]

You want to stop people from shoeing their own horses?

[calshoer]

I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.
Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills, and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

[ladyblacksmith]

You want to stop people from shoeing their own horses?

Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!

[calshoer]

.); most are soft-tissue related injuries (bowed/buck-shins/carpel??,Most injuries at the track have always been soft tissue anyway.
Do you have statistics that actually correlate any changes in number or types breakdowns to shoeing rules, and NOT to other factors such as changes in track surfaces?
As well you seem to not know the difference between bone and soft tissue...buck shins are BONE,(the bone periosteum to be more specific) and so is "Carpal" (knee) ....
.

[ladyblacksmith]

I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.
Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills, and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

I'm not limited, I can forge, make hand-mades ect; I do all kinds of different breeds and shoeing, besides plating. I am more of the exception, not the rule among my plater brothers. In fact, just last week a plater gave my number to one of his old client, who events, and said me to reshoe the horse, since I do more than just plate racehorses.

Patty, "Sadly, but true", others are very limited, and is the need for Union to come back swing, and testing of all and any shoer going to shoe these racehorses and forging skills need to updated on the track, as well as in the rest of the shoeing world.
If racetrack owners want to shoe their own horses; then they must be tested just like the others, no exceptions. You can not apply the rules to some and not to others.

and Patty; adhering to racing rules means ...having a licience to plate racehorses on the backside.

[ladyblacksmith]

Most injuries at the track have always been soft tissue anyway.
Do you have statistics that actually correlate any changes in number or types breakdowns to shoeing rules, and NOT to other factors such as changes in track surfaces?
As well you seem to not know the difference between bone and soft tissue...buck shins are BONE,(the bone periosteum to be more specific) and so is "Carpal" (knee) ....
.

I was only repeating another platers words "VERBATUM" without changing anything words he was speaking at the time.
and it what we call patch speak.

I know the diff:eek:

PS some have never been in a forge ever......petty scary, isn't it????

[Mike Ferrara]

Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!


If the government wants to decide who will shoe my horse, they can feed and house the horse too...or maybe I'll just have a BBQ and invite all my friends. Shoeing won't be an issue then.

I think you should do some reading. The government is taking over the auto industry, banking and getting ready to mess with energy production. We are quickly becoming slaves of the state.

Yours in bondage,
comrad Mike.

[calshoer]

I'm not limited, I can forge, make hand-mades ect; I do all kinds of different breeds and shoeing, besides plating. I am more of the exception, not the rule among my plater brothers. In fact, just last week a plater gave my number to one of his old client, who events, and said me to reshoe the horse, since I do more than just plate racehorses.

Patty, "Sadly, but true", others are very limited, Which was my point .and is the need for Union to come back swing, WRONG, because unions (of any kind ) IMO(tend to protect the members despite those members shortfalls. Pay your dues, your in, and then no one can challenge you. It removes the free market and fair competition for the best skills .

and testing of all and any shoer going to shoe these racehorses The California test was a joke. The track plater inspector wanted me to take it and "get legal" (I told you they knew about my and my ex's plating there,and I shod his personal horses at his home) ) and he gave me all the information and study guides.The information I needed involved about a hundredth of the knowledge that a good farrier should posess,and some of it was mechanically wrong for the horse. and forging skills need to updated on the track, as well as in the rest of the shoeing world.Oh common, how many TB platers ever actually need to get into the forge? If they can make a simple bar shoe or pull clips that's all they need in that environment. If racetrack owners want to shoe their own horses; then they must be tested just like the others, no exceptions. You can not apply the rules to some and not to others.Like i said the test is a joke anyway. It only tests knowledge of what plates are which win the parts that involve the mechanics of the foot and leg, it's is wrong in many areas and the track shoeing guidelines often perpetuates detrimental shoeing.
and Patty; adhering to racing rules means ...having a licence to plate racehorses on the backside.Licencing farriers on the track IMO is primarily to insure no cheating (setting up someones horse with bad shoeing deliberately to fix a race for example) , to control financial responsibility, and drug use. Horse owners and trainers should not have to be limited in whatever way they want to shoe their own horses, as long as the shoeing adheres to the incorrect and and harmful shoeing rules imposed upon them. :rolleyes:

[Just passin through~]

Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!

Linda,do you shoe more crippled horses than sound horses? Your business could get bigger if all you did was shoe cripples? Do you like to shoe cripples or not?

[George Geist]

The California test was a joke. The track plater inspector wanted me to take it and "get legal" (I told you they knew about my and my ex's plating there,and I shod his personal horses at his home) ) and he gave me all the information and study guides.The information I needed involved about a hundredth of the knowledge that a good farrier should posess,and some of it was mechanically wrong for the horse. Oh common, how many TB platers ever actually need to get into the forge? If they can make a simple bar shoe or pull clips that's all they need in that environment. Like i said the test is a joke anyway. It only tests knowledge of what plates are which win the parts that involve the mechanics of the foot and leg, it's is wrong in many areas and the track shoeing guidelines often perpetuates detrimental shoeing.

Of course we all know Patty knows better:rolleyes:

Anyway, having been involved with more horseshoeing tests than most guys, and being quite familiar with the California test, I can say that anybody who can't even pass the daggone CF test will never pass any racetrack test anywhere.

Snowed in again today Patty?
George

[Mike Ferrara]

Snowed in again today Patty?
George

It's a good day for fixing lawn tractors, making knives and going fishing...maybe a little beer and internet thrown in there someplace.

If you charge enough, you can take Wednesday off.

[ladyblacksmith]

Linda,do you shoe more crippled horses than sound horses? Your business could get bigger if all you did was shoe cripples? Do you like to shoe cripples or not?

I get "asked" to straighten out horses that others "xxx up!!":mad:
that are whack and tacks and 90 day wonders in this business that have No business being in this business; and the all of the smucks that won't support "good" blacksmiths; whether they are in the AFA, Guild, Union, or BWFA; certified or not-certified, buddy JPT.

I don't like to see any horse crippled, or any shoer cripple a horse; but it happens in this business. I shoe enough cripples as it is.
I shoe a cripple to the best of my ablities; and hope that I have been able to help the horse and owners in any way. If I cannot; then I will see if someone else can think of something different in shoeing.
I am not a know it all; nor will I ever know it all. But I will my dxxest to be the best that I can be.

[ladyblacksmith]

Which was my point .WRONG, because unions (of any kind ) IMO(tend to protect the members despite those members shortfalls. Pay your dues, your in, and then no one can challenge you. It removes the free market and fair competition for the best skills .

The California test was a joke. The track plater inspector wanted me to take it and "get legal" (I told you they knew about my and my ex's plating there,and I shod his personal horses at his home) ) and he gave me all the information and study guides.The information I needed involved about a hundredth of the knowledge that a good farrier should posess,and some of it was mechanically wrong for the horse. Oh common, how many TB platers ever actually need to get into the forge? If they can make a simple bar shoe or pull clips that's all they need in that environment. Like i said the test is a joke anyway. It only tests knowledge of what plates are which win the parts that involve the mechanics of the foot and leg, it's is wrong in many areas and the track shoeing guidelines often perpetuates detrimental shoeing.
Licencing farriers on the track IMO is primarily to insure no cheating (setting up someones horse with bad shoeing deliberately to fix a race for example) , to control financial responsibility, and drug use. Horse owners and trainers should not have to be limited in whatever way they want to shoe their own horses, as long as the shoeing adheres to the incorrect and and harmful shoeing rules imposed upon them. :rolleyes:
.................................................. .....................................

Union has totally changed in the 21st Century.
Union test you have to use forging skills!!!
Union test is not a joke; although other tests in the past have been a joke; including today the NO shoeing test to be PC.
Union testing made sure you could shoe a racehorse propertly, and in any shoeing......in the classical way of shoeing a racehorse ....

*****Which- if you look at "Smitty88" shoeing of the racehorse; you will see a beautiful classical way of shoeing the racehorse; PLUS a wonderful and classical way of shoeing most horses. He is wonderful testament to this forum and to others here, including myself.
Plus, there are others on this forum that doing extrodinary work; which we can all learn from.

[George Geist]

I get "asked" to straighten out horses that others "xxx up!!":mad:
that are whack and tacks and 90 day wonders in this business that have No business being in this business; and the all of the smucks that won't support "good" blacksmiths; whether they are in the AFA, Guild, Union, or BWFA; certified or not-certified, buddy JPT.
Linda! Do you need a trip to the woodshed girl!:mad:

Enough already!

Also, this board is innapproriate to discuss issues of racetracks. If you're that annoyed by the goings on in those places there are much more effective things you could be doing about it than whining about it here. Capice?
George

[ladyblacksmith]

Linda! Do you need a trip to the woodshed girl!:mad:

Enough already!:(

Also, this board is innapproriate to discuss issues of racetracks. If you're that annoyed by the goings on in those places there are much more effective things you could be doing about it than whining about it here. Capice?
George

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

[smitty88]

Of course we all know Patty knows better:rolleyes:

Anyway, having been involved with more horseshoeing tests than most guys, and being quite familiar with the California test, I can say that anybody who can't even pass the daggone CF test will never pass any racetrack test anywhere.

Snowed in again today Patty?
George

George,
I think it was somthing about not been able to pull clips:eek:

[Just passin through~]

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

Linda,are you saying that people have judged you unfairly for 19 yrs?
And that one man says it was not justifieable? just so that you know,
i am with the one man~

[Bill Lansing]

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

Linda,

Are you ok? Are you suffering from a bout of depression? Do some google searches and try to find some help.

Last I checked, anyone (woman or man) who works hard enough has plenty of business. This constant crying on the internet can't possibly help you pick up any work.

I do hope you find help and get better. :)

[Rick Talbert]

Yes.....Period.
you should just look at some of my cripples I shoe now!!!!!:mad:; because "the owner shod their own horse" rational.

It is animal cruelty is what it is!!!!!

No one is ever gonna stop owners from shoeing their own horses. That is just unenforceable. Plus this is America. They should have the right to do what they wish. Yes, the horse may suffer from a hot nail, or trimmed too short or too long, out of balance, etc. But until we raise the standards of farriery here in the states, we definitely have no leg to stand on, as the same junk is being done by many "farriers" as we speak. What defines a farrier? What minimal knowledge must one have to claim to be a farrier? At the present time none, so anyone that wants to call themselves a farrier could do so. I am all for licensing, to raise the minimal standard required for one to call themselves a farrier. But I am not for taking away an owner's rights to choose to shoe their own horses, or choose to use an unlicensed farrier (if licensing ever were to come to pass). There would inevitably be nonlicensed farriers working, but if licensing laws were passed in each state, these individuals would be labelled as unlicensed farriers, not licensed farriers, to a horse owner that has little sense, this would at least be something that would encourage them to use someone who was competent enough to pass a simple test. But if they want an unlicensed farrier to do their work, they should have that right. The point is more to advance the farrier profession/ trade, than it is to deny someone their rights and freedoms. Then when you ask "what minimal knowledge must one have to claim to be a licensed farrier?" their would be an answer, that would differentiate an individual with at least a minimal level of competency from those who are truly incompetent. Is such a law unenforceable, probably for the most part it is, so if it ever were to happen, it would not eliminate the hacks from the equation. But if the general public were made aware of the licensing statutes, then the owner may no longer equate the farrier professional with the work and knowledge exhibited by the worst our so-called profession has to offer. (Here we go again with this debate!!!!:()

[George Geist]

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George

[Just passin through~]

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George

George,lol Linda was just looking around to find something she could relate to.
I do the same thing sometimes.But linda needed recognition and there is nothing wrong with that either.But when she said some guy stood up for her,when all the others let her down.Do you think the guy that stood up for her was some young kid? or some old experienced farrier? Because where i come from,we call old men who like pretty young girls?"EVERYBODY"

[Jaye Perry]

Just passin through......Because where i come from,we call old men who like pretty young girls?"EVERYBODY

prevert?...:confused::confused::confused::confused :

[George Geist]

But when she said some guy stood up for her,when all the others let her down.Do you think the guy that stood up for her was some young kid? or some old experienced farrier? Because where i come from,we call old men who like pretty young girls?"EVERYBODY"
Gotta love my lil' sister but I really have no idea who or what she was talking about:confused:
George

[Tom Stovall, CJF]

calshoer in gray

I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.

The JHU has been essentially dead since they lost the Midwest.

Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills,

My experience is contrary to yours. In my experience, one can find the best and the worst at the track. You probably wouldn't understand due to your limited experience and the fact you've never been licensed as a plater, but it takes a unique skill set to move a horse up in class - and some platers do it with regularity. On the other hand, a plater with limited skills can drop a horse in class before Bob gets the news - but they can't make a living plating and they seldom stay around until the water gets hot; in fact, some of that particular class of deadweights on the periphery of racing don't even bother to become licensed as platers.

and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

Everyone from mutuel clerks to owners to hot walkers undergos a background check and are LICENSED in every perimutuel jurisdiction: Why should platers be any different?

[Rick Talbert]

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George

George, I am trying to wrap my mind around what the heck the subject is specificly, at first their was a comment about grandfathering in, then on to race track stuff, complaining about owners shoeing, then saying talking about shoeing work off the track, then something about what someone said in a supply shop. I just figured it was an opportunity to clarify something about my view of licensing. But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes. I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:)

[George Geist]

George, I am trying to wrap my mind around what the heck the subject is specificly, at first their was a comment about grandfathering in, Right. The OP started this thread about 4 years ago wondering if she'd be grandfathered in if state licensing became law. Answer to that would have been yes. Since state licensing will probably never become reality this 4 year old question is pretty moot. then on to race track stuff, complaining about owners shoeing, Racehorse owners don't shoe. Most if they grace a barn with their presence need to ask which horse is theirs. They don't know which end eats and which end poops and are most certainly not the type of people to dirty their hands at anything. then saying talking about shoeing work off the track, then something about what someone said in a supply shop. Yeah it got pretty out of control there for a while didn't it:) I just figured it was an opportunity to clarify something about my view of licensing. That's cool, no problem there. But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes. And to think she's not even a blonde:eek:I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:) Sounds like the best idea yet, wish I had some here:)
George

[bababoey38]

Sit down with some guys that have been shoeing 40 + years,They laugh at this stuff.

[George Geist]

Sit down with some guys that have been shoeing 40 + years,They laugh at this stuff.
They the only ones? I'd wager guys that have been around 5 years and less often have senses of humor too;)
George

[Clint Burrell]

stuff deleted
But really I am confused as ****. Maybe it would all make more sense to me if I were smoking some left handed cigarrettes. I really have no stance or opinion on the racetrack licensing, thats not my world, so I wouldn't chime in on that. I think I'll just go fix me a bowl of ice cream and allow my confused brain to rest:)

Rick,
I'm left handed:eek:, does that mean I have to smoke right handed when need things to make sense? :p I'm still down w/ the ice cream.:D

Clint

[ladyblacksmith]

calshoer in gray

I believe Linda's issue is her precious union losing it's grip on her limited world in the racing trade.

The JHU has been essentially dead since they lost the Midwest.

Frankly,from what I have seen, many race platers are somewhat limited in their range of farrier skills,

My experience is contrary to yours. In my experience, one can find the best and the worst at the track. You probably wouldn't understand due to your limited experience and the fact you've never been licensed as a plater, but it takes a unique skill set to move a horse up in class - and some platers do it with regularity. On the other hand, a plater with limited skills can drop a horse in class before Bob gets the news - but they can't make a living plating and they seldom stay around until the water gets hot; in fact, some of that particular class of deadweights on the periphery of racing don't even bother to become licensed as platers.

and therefore IMO the owners should have the right to bring in any farrier they want to work on their horses as long as the shoeing on entered horses adheres to that racing jurisdiction's rules.

Everyone from mutuel clerks to owners to hot walkers undergos a background check and are LICENSED in every perimutuel jurisdiction: Why should platers be any different?

That's what I am talking about!!!!!:):):)
I have moved many a horse up in class in both race and show world.

[ladyblacksmith]

She's talking about racetracks Rick.

The racetrack licensing is very enforceable. Always has been.

Problem we got is that more than a few of us justifiably feel that we've earned our racetrack licenses.

Just watch the reaction you get from AFA certified guys when somebody falsely claims certification as can easily be found in the archives.

Racetrack guys who have earned their place in the trade tend to feel the same way. That's all.

Thing I'm trying to understand like Rick is why Linda resurrected an old thread that had nothing to do with racetracks and went off on her own tangent instead of starting a new one:confused:
George


some of us have earned our place in the racing trade. some of us feel that ones coming in should be tested; just like we were and go thur the same apprenticeship as we did; before being handed out licence to shoe at the track.

[ladyblacksmith]

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

PS just furious, just furious over that incident lately. I'll tell you about it later!!

[ladyblacksmith]

The guy that I talked today reminded me of all the unfairness people have bestowed upon me for shoeing horses in this area for the last 19 years.
He thinks I have been treated so unfairly; that it does and has disgusted a lot of people over the years.

Many men just don't get it. They think it's a joke; but jokes can turn badly.

Like one of the guys said to me....you never know what a guy is thinking at the end of shoeing job; while a woman is shoeing.
There are a lot of shady characters out there in the shedrow.

[calshoer]

I don't like to see any horse crippled, or any shoer cripple a horse; but it happens in this business. I shoe enough cripples as it is.You clearly told someone recently on another thread concerning a lame horse that you refuse to shoe cripples. So which is it? Do you shoe them or not? I shoe a cripple to the best of my ablities;Which (unless you begin to show us some of your therapeutic work) , I must asssume are somewhat limited when it comes to thwrapeutic work, given some of your past observations and statements in these forums. and hope that I have been able to help the horse and owners in any way.You should not have to "hope" you can help them. You should posess enough understanding of the wide variety of available lameness treatments and be able to assess your own skills to know before hand if your work will be sufficient to help them. If I cannot; then I will see if someone else can think of something different in shoeing. Unless you just tell them to put the horse down because the act of shoeing cripples may bring on criticism( your own statement ) .....I am not a know it all; nor will I ever know it all. But I will my dxxest to be the best that I can be.Your knowledge seems to be limited to your little track world and what one anonymous mentor and other platers tell you, my dear.

[calshoer]

Many men just don't get it. They think it's a joke; but jokes can turn badly.

Like one of the guys said to me....you never know what a guy is thinking at the end of shoeing job; while a woman is shoeing.
There are a lot of shady characters out there in the shedrow.You have to comment on your own comments? Ps you sure seem to bring a lot of personal baggage into your work.

[Mike Ferrara]

Cat fight!

[Bill Lansing]

some of us have earned our place in the racing trade. some of us feel that ones coming in should be tested; just like we were and go thur the same apprenticeship as we did; before being handed out licence to shoe at the track.

We only stay at the top of our game for a short time. Just because you feel you earned something in this trade means little.

I get the impression that you don't do all that much work. Also you claim you've been treated unfairly along your shoeing career. If these things are correct, when do you feel you earned anything? Surely it's not because you served an apprenticeship and took a test? :rolleyes:

[Gary_Miller]

In order to be licensed to shoe on the track in Idaho all you need is a $50 bill, a $15 background check, and a letter of recommendation from a owner or trainer if its your first time applying.

Just another why for a government body to collect more money.

[George Geist]

In order to be licensed to shoe on the track in Idaho all you need is a $50 bill, a $15 background check, and a letter of recommendation from a owner or trainer if its your first time applying.

Just another why for a government body to collect more money.
Do they race in western saddles there?:rolleyes:
George

[ladyblacksmith]

We only stay at the top of our game for a short time. Just because you feel you earned something in this trade means little.

I get the impression that you don't do all that much work. Also you claim you've been treated unfairly along your shoeing career. If these things are correct, when do you feel you earned anything? Surely it's not because you served an apprenticeship and took a test? :rolleyes:

I've shod all weekend long, including having to cut my Memorial Day short to take care of one of my racehorses; who tore part of his front shoe off; and he's running Wed. Had to glue/patch part of the inside foot.:rolleyes:

[Gary_Miller]

Do they race in western saddles there?:rolleyes:
George
Only when chasing cows or cans.:D