Whats the differance?

[SlowShoe]

Whats the differance between Hoofwall repair material, and Adhere?

I'm looking at the two and can never decide which one to get becasue they seem to me to both do the same thing. Is the only differance that the Hoofwall material comes in differant colors? Which one should I be getting? =]

Also I wish we could find away to stop discarding the mixing tips. They add up.

-Josh

[Cal Chilton]

Hi Josh,

I don't know what dealer you found it, but "Hoofwall Restorative" hasn't been manufactured in at least two years. Because it is way over its one year shelf life; it has separated and won't set, if it comes out of the cartridge at all.

ADHERE is the replacement for Hoofwall Restorative (HWR), it sets in half the time and in addition to repairs, it is used to glue on shoes. Beige and Black are to match the color of the hooves, if desired. Other than color the two Adheres' are identical.

Mixing tips: There is no other way to mix the products without harming the outcome. Some products set in 30 seconds. Mixing by hand introduces air and moisture to the product reducing the bonding strength by at least 50%. Having to come back and re-do your work costs far more than the tips. What is the price of a gallon of gas these days?

Vettec would like to know any dealer that is carrying discontinued Hoofwall Restorative. Its not good for our reputation or the dealer's, it certainly won't make anyone's day if they try to use it.

The instructions for all of our current products are available from any authorized Vettec dealer or from the website.

Thank you for your question.

Happy trails,

Cal Chilton
Vettec, Inc.

[Wannabeee]

Hay Cal,

I always wondered how close is equi-pak is to the stuff they use to install windshields and did duramix change too what and tips use to be cheap in the auto/paint wholesale places? Cause the stuff to fix Honda bummers patched feet well for alot less cost to owners and around the same profit as now, of course ill use the current stuff and be very happy just wondering. Thank you Scott

[SlowShoe]

I think i was looking at the web site and thought I had bought Hoof Wall Restorative, but it was in fact adhere (the lable was ripped off)... So I was debating for my future purchases.

The thing that sucks about the mixing tips is that sometimes veen if you time it right and have everything se tup, you sometimes need two on one horse. I guess they should package them with the tube... I use the Stubby a lot because I dont want to waste all my tips fillin gnail holes or one crack.. I mix that stuff in the air and it works great. I use quick poly sometimes too when I need to fill in cracks and need to get the fill in eveywhere. I was certainly use only vetech products if it werent for the mixing tip situation. It makes it litteraly double the price of everything else. Not to mention the cost of the gun. :(

-josh

[Wannabeee]

Josh look at Vettecs site you buy 6 tubes of any product and you get a frre large gun( 50 bucks saved). I figure a tip a foot for pours or under pads trying to both with one just ends up wasting product and/or doing a bad job with it. I know my post above is smart a** as to cost of product and cost( but isnt duramix/vettec the same company just different markets) but really for the way this product works and benefits just charge for it, its worth it trust me(dental impression material doesnt compare except in a few special cases). OMG now I just screwed myself for getting good answers to my smart a** questions above> Scott

PS It does feel bad to walk out of the farrier supply with a grand in Equithane products in your hands and it all fits on the front seat, but it does make you a hero too, whats that cost?

[Cal Chilton]

Hi Josh,

Vettec and DuraMix are no longer affiliated. We are no longer in that market.

The 6 cartridges (mix and match) plus a free gun, is a new user special available from an authorized Vettec dealer.

By the way, that Grand you spent that makes you a hero, should also make you money.

Thank you very much for your input.

All the best,

Cal Chilton
Vettec, Inc.

[Ronald Aalders]

I said it before and I'll say it again to hopefully wake up those Vettec guys. The product (especially the Clear Hoofpack!) is good, in fact it's great, but WAY TO EXPENSIVE!

As a result here in Europe you can buy a similar product that contains more and is cheaper per tube. It's also packed in a 'nomal' cartridge that you can use with a ordinary silicon gun from the hardware store. I don't know if the quality is as good as Vettec's. (I did use it on two horses sofar and those did ok.)

The point I'm trying to make here is that if Vettec decides to bring down prices substantially in the end they would sell more. Now they just attract new producers making similar products that may or may not be of good quality. But I don't have to time to find out!

So Mr. Chilton Sir, go kick some managers ***. We need lower prices permanently, not just offers like 3 for the price of 2.



Ronald Aalders

[Roy Amaral CJF]

I'm with you on this Ronald.

That Equi-pac is a great product. If it was cheaper I would probably never use another one of those ****** snow pads.

I'm not sure if it can be done, but think of the increase in sales volume if you could compete equaly with the bubble/tube pads.

[Donnie Walker]

You can also use clear silicone from your local lumber company. Squeeze it into a plastic container, mixed in approximately 1/2 teaspoon of Betadine, apply in the foot with a tongue depressor, cover with blue pad, or a piece of cardboard, and in a matter of minutes it is set. The results will be exactly the same, lasting just as long, and the sole will be the same consistency, not "cheesy". The Betadine is the catalyst so don't put in too much or it will set before you get through mixing.

[Tom Stovall, CJF]

Donnie Walker in gray

You can also use clear silicone from your local lumber company. Squeeze it into a plastic container, mixed in approximately 1/2 teaspoon of Betadine, apply in the foot with a tongue depressor, cover with blue pad, or a piece of cardboard, and in a matter of minutes it is set. The results will be exactly the same, lasting just as long, and the sole will be the same consistency, not "cheesy". The Betadine is the catalyst so don't put in too much or it will set before you get through mixing.

You can also use Bondo (tm) auto body filler creame hardener (benzoyl peroxide) to catalyze clear silicone caulk. Same procedure that Donnie outlined: with the foot held up, put enough silicone caulk on the sole to fill the cup level with the wall, squirt a little ribbon of creame hardener atop the silicone (amount not critical), mix with a tongue depressor, then nail on the pad and shoe. Scräpe off any excess that oozes out the lateral sulcus and try not to get any on your apron because it'll be there a long, long, time. The silicone will set up in minutes and makes a good soft packing between sole and pad.

Silicone caulk costs $5.00-$8.00 a tube at lumber/hardware stores; auto body filler creame hardener runs about $4.00 a tube at auto parts stores.

[Dave Whitaker]

how durable are you guys finding this silicone/betadine mix to be when filled to ground level and exposed to he resulting surface abrasions? Is it similar to Eqiu-pac in both durability and firmness? Do you use it with or without the mesh? By the way..... the mesh they sell to keep leaves out of rain gutters is tougher than Vet-tech's and a bunch cheaper......Dave

[Donnie Walker]

The silicone/betadine mixture is quite similar to the clear insta-pad mtl. Neither will withstand the rocks in my area, so I use it only on select cases where terrain is not an issue, or the sensitivity of the sole will not allow a firmer material. On the others I use the black equi-build firm material. I always use a mesh of some sort, either Vettec's or gutter.

[SlowShoe]

Ive never used anything like that before.. whats with the mesh? Where/how do you apply it?

-Josh