Banana shoe/ rock and roll shoe

[Ann Collier]

Greetings all, would one of you please direct me to sites where i can see what the 'banana shoe' and the rock and roll shoes look like...?

thanks in advance.... :)

[calshoer]

Here is a picture I stole from another thread here of a banana shoe (basically the the same as a rock and roll shoe) This was posted by Ron Aalders.If you want to read about the theory behind banana and Rock and Roll go to Dr Redden's site, www.nanric.com, to the Archives, then to the article titled "How to Use self adjusting palmer angles to treat heel pain" Good read. Patty

[Ann Collier]

excellent photo... now tell me , are the 1/4 bars, i guess that is what they are called... *sides* of the shoe the widest part of the shoe... ? they look to be slightly wedged as well... ?

and T shoe? that is another new shoe out there..? what does that look like...??

just when you think you have these irons under control, someone throws out some new stuff....

again TIA.....

[Roy Amaral CJF]

It's not really new. Sometimes things get renamed, altered a little or tried for a diffrent problem but it's all been done. This trade is old and a lot of it was lost when we stopped using horses for transportation.

Thr Rock-N-roll and bananna shoes are just a variation of the rocker bar. It definitly has some uses but now we have people putting them on all four feet of sound horses. :mad:

[Ronald Aalders]

Now we're talking shoes here, what does a Seattle shoe look like?


Ronald Aalders

[Dances with Hooves]

I skied this winter with a guy whose farrier studies with rick redden and he said they are now starting to weld alumimium plates across the hoof surface of the shoe to offer frog support. He said the bananas worked at first but in the long run frog support was needed to keep the horses happy. The fellow said all horses (sound or with heel pain) at the barn where he boards got 4 bannanas and the farrier flys up from KY to RI to shoe the horses and charges $400/horse.

[Ronald Aalders]

Personally I think the what happens with a rail shoe shaped banana wise, is that the rails get pushed in the ground. You loose a lot of support that way. A bar shoe IMHO is better.

On horses where the integrity of the foot is poor extra frog support may be needed. Nanric Inc. offers rail shoes with a frog support plate welded in. A stiff pad and DIM or some pour in hoofpacking works just as well and offers support over a wider part of the foot.



Ronald Aalders

[Peggy Dolan]

Ron
What do you think of using this shoe on a horse with a suspensory ligament strain? I have the horse in a 1* wedge and a rocker toe, as per the vet. I would like to use a wedged aluminum shoe on the next shoeing instead. Thanks

[Red Amor]

G,Day
Thanks for posting photo of the shoe
but may I ask please if several photos could be posted , like side top bottom as to give a better idear of shape and configeration
I know you probably only had the one at hand and I AM greatfull to see it but its just a thought
thanks ay ;)

[Ronald Aalders]

Ron
What do you think of using this shoe on a horse with a suspensory ligament strain? I have the horse in a 1* wedge and a rocker toe, as per the vet. I would like to use a wedged aluminum shoe on the next shoeing instead. Thanks

Hi Peggy,

Personally I would not use a banana in case of a suspensory ligament problem. The fact that the banana allows the foot to roll backward may well put extra strain on the suspensory. (I'm not sure but I would not take the risk since there are other ways to help the suspensory)

I would use another type of shoe that takes care of the alignment of P1-P3, one that brings back breakover to the apex of P3 at the same time.

A square toed shoe would work with a wedge when needed.


Ronald Aalders

[Ronald Aalders]

G,Day
Thanks for posting photo of the shoe
but may I ask please if several photos could be posted , like side top bottom as to give a better idear of shape and configeration
I know you probably only had the one at hand and I AM greatfull to see it but its just a thought
thanks ay ;)

Hi Red,

Here are pictures of exactly the same type of shoe as posted by Patty, used on a grade 1+ club.


Ronald Aalders

[Ann Collier]

Patty, very interesting read... now if i could only understand it all.. :(

i agree with one of the posters, if there are more pictures out there please post...

thanks as always...

[Ann Collier]

opps ,thank you.. we pasted in cyber space...

[Jason Maki]

Why would you wedge a suspensory strain? IMO, That is counterproductive: Assuming a correct axis, wedging will break the axis forward slightly, and drop the fetlock into a semiloaded postion, thus loading the suspensory lig...which should be protected, or atleast have the strain minimized. What was the vets reasoning?
Jason

[Jason Maki]

Seatle Slew, was'nt that a race horse?
Jason

[Ronald Aalders]

Read Jason, Read!

The key is your own text: "assuming a correct axis", on some horses assuming is not enough to get to a straight line through P3-P1 :D

And I still don't know what is called a Seattle Shoe!


Ronald Aalders

[Peggy Dolan]

I know some racetrack folks that call the loser racehorses Seattle Stew, if that is any help.

[ray steele]

Read Jason, Read!

The key is your own text: "assuming a correct axis", on some horses assuming is not enough to get to a straight line through P3-P1 :D

And I still don't know what is called a Seattle Shoe!


Ronald Aalders

Ronald,

i went to the AFJ web site and looked up Seattle Shoe in the archives, There are three references to it, March /April 1991 pg 26, March /April 1990 pg 24 and December 1988 pg 24.

I know I read about it in the AFJ and took a couple of pair off but could not put a precise year to them, if you can't locate these articles let me know and I will get out my boxes of back issues and dig out at least one.

The articles will describe them better than I could. Bob Peacock (Farrier Science Clinic)may have a pair in his pile of memorabelia.

Regards

Ray Steele

[mwmyersdvm]

Seatle Slew, was'nt that a race horse?
Jason

Ron was asking about the "Seattle Shoe". This is actually a pad and not a shoe. It has two specially formuled concussive absorptive pads linke in the center with a very short column in which a spring resides. The working mecahanism claims to absorb landing shock and then return it as thrust when the horse goes to leave the ground on that limb. It is a really difficult appartus to apply.

[Roy Amaral CJF]

I've never seen one but I' heard of them described as "pogo-sticks".

[Wannabeee]

The Seatle shoe was very unquie indeed,ill try to find a picture if i can even find the boxes of old afj mags, i believe you nailed on a shoe type apperatus(sp) then screwed a plastic(urethane maybe) cone type thing that compressed and then released to the shoe. I ve seen many shoe types ive wanted to try but glad one of these never came up it looked like a pita.