Re: Forging & Interfering

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Posted by Lawrence Arata on July 05, 2001 at 00:49:33:

In Reply to: Re: Forging & Interfering posted by Lisa G. on July 02, 2001 at 17:05:39:

: : : : Hello;

: : : : I am writing this question for my husband who is a amateur farrier and shoes our horses. I have a 6 yr. old Arab/Saddlebred which I am starting in distance racing. This is the first year he has worn shoes. When he is barefoot he drags his back feet enough to square the toes. When he is barefoot he neither interferes or forges. Since we have had him shod he has steped on and pulled off 3 front shoes. My husband puts a 00 shoe on him and trims him to his natural angles. He forges quite a bit and interferes on his left rear causing an interference mark on his right rear ankle. My husband would like to sqare his rear hind feet (like they are when he's barefoot) but does not have experience in hot shoeing to give the shoes the square toes. Do you have any suggestions for him other than a seminar? He unfortunatley does not have the ability to get time off of work for that. He learned what he knows about shoeing from a book and has been shoeing for about 10 yrs. He has been shoeing my other distance horse without a problem and actually corrected a thin wall/interference problem on him by just sticking with his natural angles. Any suggestions you would have would be a help. Unfortunatley getting another farrier is not an option. The shoers in our area are totally unreliable and unreachable or unknowlegable about distance shoeing. A distance horse needs his feet done properly and on time, not when the shoer gets around to it!
: : : : Thanks in advance for your help.

: : : : Lisa G.

: : : Lisa,

: : : couple of thoughts.......he might try using a natural balance shoe which already has a square-toe.....this might also help him address breakover which may be being altered when the shoes are applied......possibly beveling the toe of the front shoes will speed up the feet a bit and get them out of the way of the hinds

: : : if his anvil has a cliphorn he could do a fair job squaring the toe of the shoe that way.....might just need a bigger hammer and a hefty swing

: : : perhaps one of the shoers in the area would square off a few shoes for him.......if he goes to them, maybe that will take the unreliability out of the equation, and he can get what he needs that way

: : : in the mean time you might want to use over-reach boots to minimize the damage to your horse until a solution to the problem can be found

: : : obviously finding a reliable, knowledgeable farrier would be the best plan but if that isnt in the cards, then maybe one of these other suggestions will help.....did you try the AFA &/or the Farrier Finder on this website?

: : : best of luck ~~~~~~~~ Derin

: : If I am reading the post correctly the horse squares off his toes by draging is hooves when barefoot. this to me begs that the horse has an unsoundness or conformational issue that needs to be address first.

: : I would opt to have an equine lameness vet run a full check on this horse. You could be dealing with any number of things.

: : Or the horse could just be plain lazy. But I really doubt this. Try working the horse over some ground poles and see if he hits them or picks up his hooves. If he picks up his hooves in a day or two then you are working with a lazy horse. If not, then a vet is needed for sure.

: : Just my thinking.

: : Ray Miller

: Ray;

: Thanks for you quick reponse! The horse is not lame as he is used for distance riding and is vetted thoroughly before and after competitions. He does go over ground poles/logs and such without hitting them and rarely stumbles when ridden on uneven gound. He is an Arab/Saddlebred cross and has a bit of action to it's not as though he walks around dragging his feet all of the time.

: I would have to surmise then as you suggested that he is just lazy when walking around at liberty.

: Lisa

sounds like the horse might be out of ballance. he might try pulling the shoes for about a week. observe how he wears his feet, and shoe him like he wears. setting the shoe back a little in front should help the forging. as for the square toes in back the shoe doesnt got to be perfectally square. a bolder toe to allow the shoe to be set back a little might be all he needs.the square toe will also make the legs travel straighter but it must be applied correctly of it could put alot of strain on the horse.
Lawrence

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: : : : : Hello; : : : : : I am writing this question for my husband who is a amateur farrier and shoes our horses. I have a 6 yr. old Arab/Saddlebred which I am starting in distance racing. This is the first year he has worn shoes. When he is barefoot he drags his back feet enough to square the toes. When he is barefoot he neither interferes or forges. Since we have had him shod he has steped on and pulled off 3 front shoes. My husband puts a 00 shoe on him and trims him to his natural angles. He forges quite a bit and interferes on his left rear causing an interference mark on his right rear ankle. My husband would like to sqare his rear hind feet (like they are when he's barefoot) but does not have experience in hot shoeing to give the shoes the square toes. Do you have any suggestions for him other than a seminar? He unfortunatley does not have the ability to get time off of work for that. He learned what he knows about shoeing from a book and has been shoeing for about 10 yrs. He has been shoeing my other distance horse without a problem and actually corrected a thin wall/interference problem on him by just sticking with his natural angles. Any suggestions you would have would be a help. Unfortunatley getting another farrier is not an option. The shoers in our area are totally unreliable and unreachable or unknowlegable about distance shoeing. A distance horse needs his feet done properly and on time, not when the shoer gets around to it! : : : : : Thanks in advance for your help. : : : : : Lisa G. : : : : Lisa, : : : : couple of thoughts.......he might try using a natural balance shoe which already has a square-toe.....this might also help him address breakover which may be being altered when the shoes are applied......possibly beveling the toe of the front shoes will speed up the feet a bit and get them out of the way of the hinds : : : : if his anvil has a cliphorn he could do a fair job squaring the toe of the shoe that way.....might just need a bigger hammer and a hefty swing : : : : perhaps one of the shoers in the area would square off a few shoes for him.......if he goes to them, maybe that will take the unreliability out of the equation, and he can get what he needs that way : : : : in the mean time you might want to use over-reach boots to minimize the damage to your horse until a solution to the problem can be found : : : : obviously finding a reliable, knowledgeable farrier would be the best plan but if that isnt in the cards, then maybe one of these other suggestions will help.....did you try the AFA &/or the Farrier Finder on this website? : : : : best of luck ~~~~~~~~ Derin : : : If I am reading the post correctly the horse squares off his toes by draging is hooves when barefoot. this to me begs that the horse has an unsoundness or conformational issue that needs to be address first. : : : I would opt to have an equine lameness vet run a full check on this horse. You could be dealing with any number of things. : : : Or the horse could just be plain lazy. But I really doubt this. Try working the horse over some ground poles and see if he hits them or picks up his hooves. If he picks up his hooves in a day or two then you are working with a lazy horse. If not, then a vet is needed for sure. : : : Just my thinking. : : : Ray Miller : : Ray; : : Thanks for you quick reponse! The horse is not lame as he is used for distance riding and is vetted thoroughly before and after competitions. He does go over ground poles/logs and such without hitting them and rarely stumbles when ridden on uneven gound. He is an Arab/Saddlebred cross and has a bit of action to it's not as though he walks around dragging his feet all of the time. : : I would have to surmise then as you suggested that he is just lazy when walking around at liberty. : : Lisa : : sounds like the horse might be out of ballance. he might try pulling the shoes for about a week. observe how he wears his feet, and shoe him like he wears. setting the shoe back a little in front should help the forging. as for the square toes in back the shoe doesnt got to be perfectally square. a bolder toe to allow the shoe to be set back a little might be all he needs.the square toe will also make the legs travel straighter but it must be applied correctly of it could put alot of strain on the horse. : Lawrence

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