Re: H/J farriers -help!!! which shoe!!!

Posted by Rick Burten on October 23, 2003 at 19:08:44:

In Reply to: H/J farriers -help!!! which shoe!!! posted by Linnie Brister on October 10, 2003 at 22:59:03:

: HI all, thanks first of all for reading my post:) I live out here in Texas and have posted regarding some problems I have had with a horse keeping him barefoot - a horse that has stayed sound in more TB/English friendly parts of the country. Now that i have finally decided to go with shoes - I can't find the right ones!

: I don't know what brand they are or what you call them - but I would like to know!!!

: I have a 17.2 h TB who wears a size 3 (ie pretty big foot) that I jump and ride on grass/pasture (or an arena when the ground is hard).

: I need a wide webbed rim - and I mean WIDE - the horse has some issues wiht getting sore barefoot behind the toe. I got some "eventers" - come on - this is WIDE?? I don't think so:):)

Sorry to disappoint, but they are plenty wide enough for your horse.

:The eventers do not cut it in the support department for a horse with this big a foot - they are not proportionately wider in the larger sizes.

As I said, they are more than adequate and I use them on horses with bigger feet than your horse's.

: I looked up shoes on the sites on this website - only one has actual pics of the shoe. If any of ya'll can reccomend what to order let me know:):) I can't figure it out without a pic! I hope to find the right shoe for everyone in the barn, cause apparently a wide webbed rim is not sold anywhere near here:)

: A little history about this horse - he gets REAL sore on the sole behind the toe if trimmed too short while barefoot - everyone wants to trim him short. HIS foot has now shrunk in less than a year a whole shoe size - due to ONE trim last fall and ONE trim this spring -

Two trims, in the absence of other factors, would not cause a foot to shrink in the way you indicate.

:I did not trim him in between cause there was nothing to trim - I started shoeing him this summer though and plan to keep him shod if I can find the shoes. He has good heels, a nice round foot, he lands heavily heel first,

He should not land heavily heel first, rather, slightly heel first.

: his soles are decent (thick for a TB and not too flat).

Radiographically speaking, how many millimeters of sole is present under the coffin bone?

: He was diagnosed with MINOR pedal osteitis,

even minor pedal osteitis indicates that his soles are thin, regardless.

>though a too short trim leaves him boderline founder for THREE days.

Sounds like you need a farrier who knows what he/she is doing. Or, you have such an individual already, and the act of even a light maintenance trim is enough to bring sub-clinical inflammation and pain to a clinical level. Have you ever considered administering bute a day or two before trimming, then on the day of and day after trimming. Often this is just enough to keep the inflammation at a sub clinical level, and to help put an end to it altogether. Also, are you using any hoof/sole toughner?

:My goal is to grow his whole foot out, go with a longer toe (he has a GOOD heel) and more frequent trims and to bevel/square that toe to help breakover.

It will take about a year to accomplish a full hoof regeneration and the term "longer toe" is not what you need, rather, "sufficient toe" would be appropriate.

:Eventually I hope the foot will begin to spread to his old shoe size and I can take off some more toe without crippling him.

Shoe size is not the determinant factor in soundness.

: What shoe would help me here? Make and model please:)

Absent a hand made, fullered shoe, the Eventer should do quite nicely. The Natural Balance shoe, front or hind is also a good choice, and you might even want to consider the Polysteel shoe. It will be one of the widest and lightest, and has good durability.

You can check out these products in the Marketplace here.

Also, you should consider signing up for the On Line Conference coming up Dec. 5,.6&7. You will be able to ask these questions and voice your concerns to some of the best farriers and veterinarians in the world.

Thanks, Linnie please cc your reply to jumpinhorsesinbailey@yahoo.com

Rick

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: : HI all, thanks first of all for reading my post:) I live out here in Texas and have posted regarding some problems I have had with a horse keeping him barefoot - a horse that has stayed sound in more TB/English friendly parts of the country. Now that i have finally decided to go with shoes - I can't find the right ones! : : I don't know what brand they are or what you call them - but I would like to know!!! : : I have a 17.2 h TB who wears a size 3 (ie pretty big foot) that I jump and ride on grass/pasture (or an arena when the ground is hard). : : I need a wide webbed rim - and I mean WIDE - the horse has some issues wiht getting sore barefoot behind the toe. I got some "eventers" - come on - this is WIDE?? I don't think so:):) : Sorry to disappoint, but they are plenty wide enough for your horse. : :The eventers do not cut it in the support department for a horse with this big a foot - they are not proportionately wider in the larger sizes. : As I said, they are more than adequate and I use them on horses with bigger feet than your horse's. : : I looked up shoes on the sites on this website - only one has actual pics of the shoe. If any of ya'll can reccomend what to order let me know:):) I can't figure it out without a pic! I hope to find the right shoe for everyone in the barn, cause apparently a wide webbed rim is not sold anywhere near here:) : : A little history about this horse - he gets REAL sore on the sole behind the toe if trimmed too short while barefoot - everyone wants to trim him short. HIS foot has now shrunk in less than a year a whole shoe size - due to ONE trim last fall and ONE trim this spring - : Two trims, in the absence of other factors, would not cause a foot to shrink in the way you indicate. : :I did not trim him in between cause there was nothing to trim - I started shoeing him this summer though and plan to keep him shod if I can find the shoes. He has good heels, a nice round foot, he lands heavily heel first, : He should not land heavily heel first, rather, slightly heel first. : : his soles are decent (thick for a TB and not too flat). : Radiographically speaking, how many millimeters of sole is present under the coffin bone? : : He was diagnosed with MINOR pedal osteitis, : even minor pedal osteitis indicates that his soles are thin, regardless. : >though a too short trim leaves him boderline founder for THREE days. : Sounds like you need a farrier who knows what he/she is doing. Or, you have such an individual already, and the act of even a light maintenance trim is enough to bring sub-clinical inflammation and pain to a clinical level. Have you ever considered administering bute a day or two before trimming, then on the day of and day after trimming. Often this is just enough to keep the inflammation at a sub clinical level, and to help put an end to it altogether. Also, are you using any hoof/sole toughner? : : :My goal is to grow his whole foot out, go with a longer toe (he has a GOOD heel) and more frequent trims and to bevel/square that toe to help breakover. : It will take about a year to accomplish a full hoof regeneration and the term "longer toe" is not what you need, rather, "sufficient toe" would be appropriate. : :Eventually I hope the foot will begin to spread to his old shoe size and I can take off some more toe without crippling him. : Shoe size is not the determinant factor in soundness. : : What shoe would help me here? Make and model please:) : Absent a hand made, fullered shoe, the Eventer should do quite nicely. The Natural Balance shoe, front or hind is also a good choice, and you might even want to consider the Polysteel shoe. It will be one of the widest and lightest, and has good durability. : You can check out these products in the Marketplace here. : Also, you should consider signing up for the On Line Conference coming up Dec. 5,.6&7. You will be able to ask these questions and voice your concerns to some of the best farriers and veterinarians in the world. : Thanks, Linnie please cc your reply to jumpinhorsesinbailey@yahoo.com : Rick

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