Posted by Andrea Williams on April 27, 2002 at 14:23:40:
In Reply to: Re: Stud Chains posted by Ray Miller on April 27, 2002 at 11:42:23:
: : : : : : Just got satelite TV and was watching the horse channel. Some guy on there was working colts and rank horses with a thin bosal type hackamore, I think it was called the "Novel Nose Band". Looked like some kind of wrapped steel bosal that fits very loosely high up on the nose and you give correction by quick tugs/jerks. He claimed that it worked wonders when clipping and shoeing cranky horses. Just wondering if any one else has heard or tried this contraption. Ann
: : : : : Ann,
: : : : : Haven't a clue. But any jerks on the head of the horse I myself do not think is correct.
: : : : : I leave the training to the owners and trainers unless getting paid for it.
: : : : : As in my post the other day, I talk with the young lady last night and truned her horse down because they were not schooled in standing for the farrier. The risk is not worth it. I just wished I had learn that 20 years sooner.
: : : : : Just my thinking.
: : : : : Ray Miller
: : : : Ray, This hackamore deal didn't look like it was much different than having a stud chain snapped across the horses nose, except it looked a bit kinder and you could ride with it. I agree about the training. I was just wondering if anyone had tried this thing. I wouldn't mind finding out if it would work on agressive horses that I do end up working with. In fact my own horse, who has always gone barefoot, may need a little "correcting" now that I have to put shoes on him. I moved him from twenty acres on hard ground to my new place that sits on the Yuba River bottom lands and is nothing but sand. He was always okay for trims, but seems very adverse to having shoes and got a bit of an attitude! If I could remember what that thing was called I would order one just to see, you never know. Ann
: : : Ann, From your description this sound like what I know as a "stud halter", with a leather covering. It is usually made of 1/2 or 5/8 solid steel round bar, fits losely around the nose and jaw, and when jerked, rattles around bumping the horses nose and jaw. The idea is to teach the horse not to do anything that causes the painful bumps. It can be effective on tough horses, such as studs, but I cannot imagine shoeing a horse using one. By accident, I learned a method that has worked well for me, and I will describe it. Use a halter with side rings, adjusted a bit high. Get a small rope, 1/4 inch or so, about 3 feet long. Tie one end into the left side ring, then leaving enough slack to put it under the upper lip, run it through the right ring, back across the nose through the left ring again. Then place the rope under the lip and over the gums, pull the slack out across the nose, take a wrap around the left ring, and tie off sith a slip knot. You should now have the rope securely under the lip, across the nose, and tied off. This pulls the halter rings forward, and the rope cannot slip out. It can be adjusted if needed. It is easily done and very effective. Hopefully this will help you, and anyone else who is either working alone, or with an unreliable holder, who is more concerned about the horses comfort than your safety. Good luck, Jack Hammonds
: : Ann: I use a helper on the tough ones with a "war bridle"- just a 1/2 " soft cord rope about 15 feet long with a small pulley on one end. Same as what Jack explained except the loop goes over the horse's head and then under the top lip. The pulley allows instant relief- great when they setttle down- they will learn to stand quietly because of the relief. Andrea
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: Don't like then either. ever notice when you yank on them they make the horse rear up, even more. There are other ways to school a horse to stand. I feel over the nose or under the chin with a chain is not a good way. And the training should have been done long before the farrier got there.
: If the horse is headed down hill which I see all the time, you should find the reason out first before jerking on a chain.
: Just my thinking.
: Ray Miller
: Ray , anyone who yanks on a war bridle is not using it correctly. All you need is to gently increase the pressure until you get the horse's attention and then when he settles down you release pressure. Sometimes all I have to use is one finger on the rope to get the horse to mind. Andrea