Posted by J.L. Duncan on February 04, 2002 at 12:42:49:
In Reply to: Re: possable founder posted by Tim Nyreen on October 22, 2001 at 10:57:51:
: : : : Hope you can help!I am new in the farrier buiness,less than 1 year.I went out to trim a couple of new horses and found a couple of proublums.This cliant has a 4 year old courter horse mare that looks like she has a miled case of founder[this horse has all white hoofs].But her rear hoofs look like there is blood under the outer wall of the hoof going all the way across the hoof,in both rear feet.This horse also has problums with it's teeth and is about 250lbs under weight.The cliant states that the vet has been out many times and has removed a few teeth.Cliant says that the horse has trouble chewing,and spits out large amounts of hay and grass.She says the horse was fine up untill it was about 2 years old.Do you think the problum with the hoofs could be a nutrishion proublum?This cliant also has a 16 month old out of the same blood lines and his hoofs grow out on a angle and pancake out severly on the latteral sides.Even after trimming getting everthing flat and leval and angles at 53 and 55 she looks like shes standing on her medeal sides of her hoofs with her nees bowed in.Can this be caused by suden groth sperts or possably genetic.Cliant says this horse was fine as a yearling.I hope you can help!Thanks,Tim Nyreem
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: : : Your client needs to have these horses seen by an equine veterinarian experienced in hoof and limb problems. An equine dental technician may be in order for the oral problem.
: : : M. W. Myers, D.V.M.
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: : At the risk of being accused of heaven only knows what, Im going to offer you my opinion. You are in over your head. You don't have enough experience or knowledge to deal with the problems you have presented here. I would suggest that you find an experienced, reputable farrier and ask for his/her help. How did you determine the angles to which you trimmed the horse(s)? How did you determine that the horse should be trimmed in the spatial plane you put her?
: : Please explain how you determined that the horse had foundered, and what action(s) you took based on that evaluation.
: : You would be well advised to try and work several days a week for at least one or two years , with one or several of the better farriers in your area. If none are available, then you must be willing to travel to work with one and gain valuable experience and knowledge in a much less stressful(for you) environment. If you are not a member of your state and national farrier organizations, join and attend as many clinics, seminars, conferences and conventions as you are able. Subscribe to all the trade magazines and when not actually out working, light your forge and practice your shoe making skills. Be wise enough to know when you are in over your head, and smart enough to admit it and seek help from others. In the long run your clients will respect you for it. And those that don't, you don't want as clients anyway.
: : Rick
: Thanks for the advice and nelp,as for a good vet we have none in our area,And im afraid the cituation reguarding farriers in the area is even worse.In fact the reason I became a farrier is to get my horses done right.Best I can come up with is to reffer this cliant to vetanary school,about 200 miles away at least they will give her the time of day and treat her horses.It is extreamly frustrating being in horse no mans land both as a horse owner and a farrier.As for the angles on the one horse these are what the cliant requested[per the vet]As for the founder,there is some seperation of the white line.My advice to her was to call the vet an also request xrays.Thanks Tim N.
Tim, what is your location? Jim.